Friday, July 07, 2006

George Liquor is a good salesman

George Liquor is the world's greatest pitch person.

He can sell products like no other republican before him!

Here watch him sell you rock music-something which he hates even more than pre-marital sex!

Be honest, you're dying to run out to Tower and buy cds now, aren't you?

If you are a sponsor and want people to actually watch your commercials, rather than fast forwarding through them, then hire my cartoon characters to sell your products.

All my characters are complete capitalists and will sell their own mothers just to get in front of an audience!


BTW, isn't Mike Pataki (George's voice) great?!

I was thinking of using stock animation (like in this commercial) to get George to read passages from the bible and put them up every few days.
Would you like that?

Who loves Mike Pataki's acting?
Tell him in the comments!

Pataki trivia: He was the meanest Klingon in "Trouble With Tribbles".

180 comments:

Charlie J. said...

Did you sell the show?

JohnK said...

nope, not yet

Kali Fontecchio said...

Maybe the u.s. army could use George Liquor American to recruit young men and gallies.

Anonymous said...

I like that geotv pic.

Alex Whitington said...

Ever thought of using yopur cartoons to sell your cartoons?
I mean I'D fund a web cartoon if George Liquor told me to.

JohnK said...

Kali, that's a great idea!

Sketch said...

...y'know, it would make sense for the U.S. army to license the character.

Anonymous said...

Goddamn the animation in that ad was great.

I love the decapitated head and the bizarre expressions.

zooms to Tower Records

Shawn said...

Damn, that George Liquor's funny!
I'm convinced to buy a CD!

Dr.Awkward said...

Hey John,

I watched the animation, but it cut away to an "under construction" page while I was watching, and it didn't even get to finish. What the hell's going on?

Drew said...

Micheal Patacki is genius! He is such a good voice for George Liquor!

Hey John, what's it like directing Patacki?

-Drew

JohnK said...

>>
Hey John, what's it like directing Patacki? <<

Grueling.
He takes his clothes off and sweats like a fiend.

Anonymous said...

I'd like John to answer Dr. Awkward's question, because I experienced the same thing.

P.C. Unfunny said...

"nope, not yet"

Did you even gat a "We'll call you back ?" or "We'll think about it ?" :( Anyways, I hope you get the show on the net.

Sam said...

Mike is in my favorite movie Sidehackers!! Have him do a ton of George Liquor!

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Charlie J. said...

"I was thinking of using stock animation (like in this commercial) to get George to read passages from the bible and put them up every few days.
Would you like that?"

id love anything with george liquor, even if it was religious

David Germain said...

Maybe the u.s. army could use George Liquor American to recruit young men and gallies.

Kali, that's a great idea!


If you want to contribute to the George Bush War Machine go right ahead. At one time Bart Simpson said about Generation X "We need another Viet Nam to thin out their ranks a little." I think this may be it.

Anonymous said...

I hope you're serious about the bible thing, I think its genius. Bertrand Russell would be proud.

You should do a subscription thing like Shane Glines. Thats the best fifty bucks I spend every year (excluding cigar money).

Marc Deckter said...

I watched the animation, but it cut away to an "under construction" page while I was watching, and it didn't even get to finish.

Oh don't worry, it did finish - when the advertisement was originally made, it used to go to the Tower Records website. Now it goes to the "under construction" site.

You're not missing anything - that's the end of the cartoon!

Gavin Freitas said...

Mike Pataki is fantastic! You can do almost everything with George. You can have him selling beer at the ballgame, as an auto-mechanic screwing up peoples cars and making the customers pay for it. Oh, have'em be a butcher-hacking up pieces of yak. A shoe-salesman hammering on fat peoples feet because they said they were a size six 15 years ago...The ideas are endless..........

Anonymous said...

Huge fan of Michael Pataki! George Liquor without Pataki is like Bugs Bunny with Noel Blanc.

MKN said...

Well Republican Capitalists are damned sexy. Isn't it a shame media is ran by Democratic Communists? ;)
Hahaha

J_Swick said...

Why don't you get in touch with the people from the Colbert Report? Stephen Colbert would love to have George Liquor.

Anonymous said...

George Liquor is my favorite Spumco character. I want the GOD DAMN GEORGE LIQUOR PROGRAM ON DVD NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The Butcher said...

Hell yeah! Mike Pataki is awesome.

Spumco has made quite a few commercials haven't they? I like the Aoi (sp?) pizza commercial with Sody and Jimmy.

There's so many bad commercials on tv. You guys should make them all.

Anonymous said...

Honesty time, children: Who here actually listened to George and bought a CD?

While another viewing might break me, I'll admit that I didn't.

And j_swick: I sorta like your angle.

Anonymous said...

He sounds like George C. Scott doing "Patton"...

Anonymous said...

Noel Blanc?!?!? wot a maroon

makinnita said...

Man Michael Patacki RULES!!! as George Liquor !!

Colin Moon said...

John--

You could ask the internet for anything, and you'd get it. How in the world is it so hard to get someone to pay you?

I hate people.

Gabriel said...

I think the voice in those web cartoons are way better than the one he had when he appeared in Ren & Stimpy.

The bible story sounds great, but you need to pick the fun ones! They're mostly in the old testament (Babel Tower, Sodom and Gomorrah, etc.).

junior said...

the Colbert Report idea is good, well remembered, J-swick!

tanya said...

i'd like to see stephen colbert interview george liquor on the colbert report.

Anonymous said...

You should give him a Rush Limbaugh style talk radio show

Jay D Smith said...

hey john,

my copy of the R+S lost episodes turned up today!!!

great stuff!!

George Liquor said...

>> If you want to contribute to the George Bush War Machine go right ahead. At one time Bart Simpson said about Generation X "We need another Viet Nam to thin out their ranks a little." I think this may be it.
<<

Oh, shut up, commie! Go get high with Regg Hart, that "free love" hippie pothead faggot! And while you're at it, you two can go hit each other up, for all I care!

Dr.Awkward said...

Screw Bart Simpson; he's become so played out, that now he's more like a piece of merchandise, rather than a realistic animated personality.

>>Well Republican Capitalists are damned sexy. Isn't it a shame media is ran by Democratic Communists? ;)
Hahaha
<<

Pretty close there, MKN, but I don't think Republicans these days are really that much better than Democrats!

>> Why don't you get in touch with the people from the Colbert Report? Stephen Colbert would love to have George Liquor. <<

>> You should give him a Rush Limbaugh style talk radio show <<

O.K., this thread is getting a little too political for my taste!

Anonymous said...

>>Well Republican Capitalists are damned sexy. Isn't it a shame media is ran by Democratic Communists? ;)
Hahaha
<<

I have to check, was this meant as a joke? Because the whole "liberal jew run media" argument is fucking ridiculous.

JohnK said...

>>my copy of the R+S lost episodes turned up today!!!
<<

It's out?

Which cartoons did you watch?

Anonymous said...

Pataki (Michael) for President!
From the state that has George Elmer Pataki (that's right) as its fearless leader!
America needs George Liquor...
Now More Than Ever!

Kitty said...

I'm looking forward to those Bible passages read. lol that will rock!

Drew said...

hey John!

I just got my Ren and Stimpy APC dvd early! I gotta say, I love it all so far!

Oh, but why is Onward and Upward bedroom scene edited?

-Drew

Robert Hume said...

"Maybe the u.s. army could use George Liquor American to recruit young men and gallies."

Hey John I think this is the best idea yet! Some of the greatest cartoons of all time came from those 1940s Government sponsored pro-military cartoons by Bob Clampett and company...

...If you can draw that connection to the rigth people in side of the government you might get some huge funding! ;)

Robert Hume said...

Or better yet, run as Vise President in the next ellection and maybe you can get Spumco a No-Bid contract to help promote government propaganda and U.S. troop enlistment!

Hell, it worked for ol' Dick and Halliburton...

Michelle Klein-Hass said...

I remember that snippet of animation back from the Goddamn George Liquor Show on Spumco.Com. (RIP)

George rules, Michael Pataki is godhead, and I would love to see more Liquored-up goodness on the Web.

JohnK said...

>>Oh, but why is Onward and Upward bedroom scene edited?<<

Explanation:

I'm the dirty communist censor of that scene. The scene was never supposed to have any sex in it. They were under the sheets playing baseball.The whole "Pitcher-catcher" thing was supposed to be a vague metaphor, like in the original series.

But...the animator decided on his own to animate some actual sex happening under the sheets and I wanted to cut it as soon as I saw it, but I felt sorry for the animator who thought it was funny.

So I left it in...and paid for it!

It caused a minor furor in the animation newsgroups online by a few idiots who thought I purposely sabatoged the whole series by condoning homosexuality and the execs saw this at Spike and thought everyone felt the same way and ultimately cancelled the show on me. And you.

I should have trusted my instincts and cut it before it ever aired. Then maybe we'd still be making new episodes for you.

But...the scene IS there in the supplemental material for those of you who do love the homosexual act, so hunt for it.

I also restored much footage that Spike had to cut for broadcast so the rest of the cartoons are intact.

Forgive me!

Duck Dodgers said...

I hope the rest is uncut, John....

stiff said...

Hey John,

Have you ever thought of getting a university teaching gig, or starting a (small) formal animation school? Tuition and grants could fund new toons, and the students could fill the various production roles according to their level of accomplishment. Seems like this would be a good way to have everything done in-house. Of course, there'd still be the problem of getting stuff on TV. I guess my only point is that calling it education instead of just entertainment could generate some cash flow. But maybe a classroom just isn't your schtick?

Jay D Smith said...

>>It's out?

>>Which cartoons did you watch?

yeah, the website i bought it from said it's not out untill the 17th, but when i got home from work, there it was!!

i finally got to see naked beach frenzy!!

the interviews are very intresting for all cartoons!

JohnK said...

>>
yeah, the website i bought it from said it's not out untill the 17th, but when i got home from work, there it was!!<<

what were your favorie jokes, Jay?

Robert Hume said...

"It caused a minor furor in the animation newsgroups online by a few idiots who thought I purposely sabatoged the whole series by condoning homosexuality..."

Well it's stupid if that's what got the show taken off the air John. I saw that episode and was a little shocked when I saw that whole "baseball" animation at the end, but I just thougth you were trying to stir up some contraversy or something. I still think that episode was one of the funniest and craziest yet to air. Amazingly entertaining stuff!! I especially liked the snot gag, who animated that by the way?

Oliver A said...

Cool, I´m coming from Germany, and to my surprise, my import dvd store has the APC DVD already! I´m order them now this instant. I´m probably getting them by tuesday, and being on of the very few German owners of your new work!

It´s sad that Paramount did not yet release the original series here in Germany, despite them being a cult classic here, since they always aired UNCUT here on TV!

Jorge Garrido said...

MAS JORGE LICOR!!!

oliver a said...

I´m sorry, I notice how embarassing my first post here is due to lots of spelling mistakes I made.

Jorge Garrido said...

>I was thinking of using stock animation (like in this commercial) to get George to read passages from the bible and put them up every few days.
Would you like that?

Depends on what the message would be.

>If you want to contribute to the George Bush War Machine go right ahead.

Pfffftt... Liberals.

>The bible story sounds great, but you need to pick the fun ones! They're mostly in the old testament

George isn't Jewish, is he?

>Forgive me!

I think it'd actually better without the gay sex, the first time I saw that clip I was freaked out... but Stimpy having the mitt on his BUTT wasn't that vague of a methaphor so maybe it would have happened anyway. The "Who's the Pitcher, Who's The Catcher" routine from the same episode had the same connotations so it could have happend anyway.

Randall M said...

Are you guys (John, Katie, etc) still having a launch party for the Lost Episodes at San Diego Comic-Con this year? I'd love to pick up an autographed copy while I'm there! (or 5)

I don't really care said...

How in the world is it so hard to get someone to pay you?

Nobody pays me, either. That's why I teach my art to steal.

my copy of the R+S lost episodes turned up today!!!

John, I really hope the fans turn out in full support of this disc. I think we should each buy at least 2, and give one away as a gift. I'm not kidding. We are talking about saving the very IDEA of CARTOONY CARTOONS from extinction. I can only think of one human being who has dedicated himself on all fronts to the cause, --and for you dopey little kid hecklers, the only human in 50 years to even try to produce uncompromised animated cartoons, in a business climate that is pretty much set against it.

I would much rather see John making big-budget Ren and Stimpy's for the next 30 years than pimping George Liquor to the U.S. army.

I was a kid who turned more than one textbook into a flipbook of a stick-dog dropping a steamer, and I studied and practiced into my teens. I thought I might wanna make cartoons for a living... until I looked around in the 70's and realized that cartoons had died. --And they pretty much stayed dead, and I had no regrets, until I saw something called, "THE NEW ADVENTURES OF MIGHTY MOUSE"... and I knew there was at least one person who still cared about making real cartoons.

If this R&S disc blows up big, who knows, maybe somebody else will try to make a real cartoon, too, and then it won't be all John's fault anymore if somebody makes one that you don't like.

But it won't happen unless we BUY THE DISC, en masse, and start complaining to the major media outlets that we want to see REAL ANIMATION, not glorified STICK PUPPETS.

Jorge Garrido said...

Oh, yeah, what's Trouble With Tribbles?

oliver a said...

Don´t you know the original STAR TREK series? The famous "Trouble with Tribbles" episode? He also appears in STAR TREK - TNG.

oliver a said...

Just ordered my APC DVD, which is in stock. The trailers here already made my eyes pop out, can´t hardly wait until it arrives...

Anonymous said...

>>If you want to contribute to the George Bush War Machine go right ahead.

You seem to be taking some shit for this remark so I'm gonna go ahead and say as a reasonably objective british observer I agree with you completely.

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Anonymous said...

Put George Liquor reading Bible verses up and Mel Gibson will get such a hot, throbbing boner he'll personally bankroll a shitload of new Spumco cartoons. God bless capitalism and fascism!

Robert Hume said...

"If you want to contribute to the George Bush War Machine go right ahead."

Well to the guy/girl who wrote this, all I'm saying is we got the bullshit war, and all the gay propaganda already to go with it, so why not have some Awesome Government sponsored cartoons as well! I'm just saying if there going to try and fill us full of propaganda anyhow, they can at least make it a fun and appealing experience for us to watch as well!

Eric C. said...

In my opinion...,


GEORGE LIQUOR RULES!

I REALLY LOVE MICHAEL PATACKI'S VOICE!!!! It's as or more so hilarious as Eddie's Laugh.

I like to ask Mike, how long does he plan on performing George's voice in the future? Just curious.

And what is his favorite John toon?

_Eric

I don't really care said...

Yeah! If they are going to send poor kids with no opportunities to get their limbs blown off for nothing, it might as well be fun to look at the commercials. Maybe George could say something like that in the spots.

Anonymous said...

I'm so stupid, it's obvious. The pitched and catche line is the set up for the joke in the end. Everyone would think it was about sex, but it really was about baseball after all...

Eric Dotseth said...

I like the idea of George Liquor reading passages from the Bible. The idea of the Spumco cast re-enacting famous stories from the Old Testament would be even funnier (ex: Jimmy the Idiot Boy and Sody Pop OR George Liquor and Mabel as Adam and Eve; Slab and Ernie as Kain and Abel (or Kain and Kain); George Liquor as Noah leading Two Diry Pussies, Ren and Stimpy onto the Ark; Jimmy the Idiot Boy was a genius and comprehensible until he built the Tower of Babel; George Liquor as Moses freeing animators from the horrors of cookie-cutter, formula-driven animation; George Liquor as Samson being tempted by a Delilah). The possibilities are limitless.

Robert Hume said...

"Yeah! If they are going to send poor kids with no opportunities to get their limbs blown off for nothing, it might as well be fun to look at the commercials. Maybe George could say something like that in the spots."

...Well Conservatives don't usually reconize sarcasim or parady, so maybe you could sneak it past em';)

Anonymous said...

Screw John and his promoting of this evil war! His cartoons suck!

Anonymous said...

I've always seen George as a satirical jab at republicans (like Stephen Colbert). I don't think you could use him as an actual recruitment tool. Some fake propoganda cartoons would be cool though.

Billy said...

Screw "anoymous" and his stupid comments! They're pointless and lacking substance! ;)

I don't really care said...

Screw John and his promoting of this evil war! His cartoons suck!

Saying, "great idea" is not quite the same as promoting the war, which, by the way, ended a long time ago. It's now an endless occupation.

I am curious, however, how this seems like a great idea to the guy who gave us that last shot in ALTRUISTS.

Spencer said...

Cant wait till you sell the show john! I loved the thing you had us watch!

Anonymous said...

Well I'm sorry, but supporting troop enlistment doesn't have to be a "prowar" act! Those kids over there are going on second, third, and possiblly fourth tours of that hell forsaken country, because were sent over there way undermanned. Wether you agree with the war or not, that should have nothing to do with preventing recruiting efforts for our military. I take my hat off to anyone who wants to do it!

I don't really care said...

Good reason to bring them all home, not to send more. Duh.

Jay D Smith said...

>>what were your favorie jokes, Jay?

my whole household has been running around quoting lines from stimpy's pregnant!! in fact i think that probably my fav episode on the dvd so far!

"it took a REAL man to put a brat in there!"

Dr.Awkward said...

Alright, if you're gonna criticize the President and the war, at least let it be constructive, and for the right reasons. For instance, I don't like the way soldiers are putting their lives on the line every day trying to "protect the freedom and rights" of a bunch of ungreatful towelheaded assholes! Don't give me all this "poor Iraqi citizens" garbage, or that "Bush is a right-wing, homophobic, sexist, racist, Nazi Christian fundamentalist who hates Muslims and wants to destroy the planet with man-made global warming" bullshit! Yeah, I know, " not all muslims are terrorists", BUT-
almost ALL TERRORISTS are MUSLIMS!

>> Well I'm sorry, but supporting troop enlistment doesn't have to be a "prowar" act! Those kids over there are going on second, third, and possiblly fourth tours of that hell forsaken country, because were sent over there way undermanned. Wether you agree with the war or not, that should have nothing to do with preventing recruiting efforts for our military. I take my hat off to anyone who wants to do it! <<

For once, someone said it like it is!

Anonymous said...

"Good reason to bring them all home, not to send more. Duh."

Take it to Washington then then like the rest of us, not to the military...

Anonymous said...

Goddamn, there's alot of commies on this thread! (Not Jorge or Dr.Awkward, though)

Robert Hume said...

Wow, this is getting hairy...anyhow I just wanted to see some cool cartoons but you guys are all nuts! lol

There's got to be a political blog or two out there somewhere were you guys can all go fight it out! :p

Chris Wyatt said...

Yay! I got the DVD too today. Loving the personally note, really touching, and the note has a nice scent to it.

Chris Wyatt said...

Personally note? I mean personal note.

I don't really care said...

Alright, if you're gonna criticize the President and the war,...

It's not a war, it's an occupation.
I'd love to give you a real education about the true nature of things, but it would only make you cry. And this is not the place.

My advice for you would be to start with Eisenhower's speech about the dangers of the military-industrial complex. He was a true Republican. These guys in power now are demonstrated fascists and you've never seen a greater danger to your freedom and quality of life. They are not a sports team to be rooted for, no matter how badly they perform. I'm only willing to digress into this on John's blog because the only thing less fun than a world without cartoons is a world without democracy. Nazis didn't make very funny cartoons, but they did make funny drawings of what people look like who are okay to burn in ovens.

Anonymous said...

"ALL TERRORISTS are MUSLIMS!"

All Nazis were christians

JohnK said...

Hey can we stop arguing the war here?

Surely there are plenty of political blogs out there for the purpose.

I agree said...

>>> Hey can we stop arguing the war here?
Surely there are plenty of political blogs out there for the purpose.

Amen to that!

Dr.Awkward said...

>>> All Nazis were christians

As much as I'd like to rant against this irritating remark, I won't, because after all, as Robert and John suggested, this is NOT a political blog!


Anyone else who wants to continue on this political thread should be banned from the "blogosphere"! (Especially "I.D.R.C." and a few anonymouses like the one I have the quote of, ahem!)

katzenjammer studios said...

that's a nice picture that he posted at the top. anybody seen what kinda markers john and katie rice use for pitch materials and stuff like that? they look great, and seem easier than schleping around paint and such.

Charlie J. said...

AAAAAAAAGH! now when you look at the "whats cookin' doc" clips, it says you must be 18 or older to view them!

Anonymous said...

>> I would much rather see John making big-budget Ren and Stimpy's for the next 30 years than pimping George Liquor to the U.S. army. <<

Yes!! PLEEEEEASE!!!

Anonymous said...

>> Maybe the u.s. army could use George Liquor American to recruit young men and gallies.

>> JohnK said...
Kali, that's a great idea! <<


Don't you DARE pull a John Sutherland on me.

You will lose a fan here permanently and quite a few others by word of mouth.

I'd much rather see you do cartoons for Sesame Street or the rumored-to-be-resurrected Electric Company.

Anonymous said...

>>As much as I'd like to rant against this irritating remark, I won't, because after all, as Robert and John suggested, this is NOT a political blog!

Sorry about that, I just read it back and I guess it was kind of a stupid thing to say. Your rant made me a little angry is all. I'll shut up about politics now.

Keith Stack said...

The fact that a scene was cut from the DVD makes me a bit reluctant to pick it up.

I'll still probably wind up getting it though.

David Germain said...

Surely there are plenty of political blogs out there for the purpose.

I'm planning a rather politically charged blogpost for August 9. We should get some goooooood arguing going on over there.

Ollie said...

Hey John, what did the sponsors think of the comments? Over 200 of 'em! Are they still looking?

-Ollie

Jorge Garrido said...

>>I'm planning a rather politically charged blogpost for August 9. We should get some goooooood arguing going on over there.

Prepare to get owned, pinko. ;)

What is that first pic from? The colours are so rich and warm! Who is that in the picture above his fireplace?

Dj said...

hey john, will you dottle a picture for my band? my e-mail is sgtpepperslhcb11@aol.com
that would be really cool

Anonymous said...

">> Maybe the u.s. army could use George Liquor American to recruit young men and gallies.

>> JohnK said...
Kali, that's a great idea! <<


Don't you DARE pull a John Sutherland on me.

You will lose a fan here permanently and quite a few others by word of mouth."

Why are people talking about this like there's even the remotest chance that it could ever possibly happen?

Jesse Oliver said...

"Hey George Liquor"

"YOU ARE THE COOLEST!!!!!!!!"

If anybody can sell a CD with American class it's you! You really need to have your own TV or DVD series. John and his SPUMCO pals can do IT! Spumco knows how to make great cartoons for god fearing americans like you and me. If you get your own series please promise that you will still be in some future Ren & Stimpy cartoons. They haven't even made "Willderness Adventure" yet! I wish you the best of luck George.

your biggest fan

Jesse Oliver

P.S. You should be the next president of the United States!

Jesse Oliver said...

"PATACKI RULES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Jesse Oliver said...

Hey John

I did not pre-order the Lost Episodes DVD but I will pick it up the day it comes out! The only episodes I did not see were "Naked Beach Frenzy", "Altruists" and "Stimpys Pregnant". But I know that I will love the UNAIRED episodes when I finally see them. It's amazing how some people were mad about the homosexuality in "Onward & Upward". I mean there was definitly hiddin homosexuality in "Stimpy's First Fart"! But as long as the bedroom scene is in the supplemental material I'm OK, and if not I will still be OK. I still hope for more R & S cartoons in the future. Good luck!

Jesse Oliver

Jesse Oliver said...

QUESTION FOR JOHNK

Did you see the trailer for the Lost Episodes DVD on Youtube yet?

I don't really care said...

It caused a minor furor in the animation newsgroups online by a few idiots who thought I purposely sabatoged the whole series by condoning homosexuality and the execs saw this at Spike and thought everyone felt the same way and ultimately cancelled the show on me. And you.

That's what I call real commitment. Since when is controversy BAD for ratings? Do these people even know what their job is? And how could fans of R&S be that humorless?

JohnK said...

>>
Did you see the trailer for the Lost Episodes DVD on Youtube yet?<<

Yeah, I did Jesse. I didn't like it much because it made it seem like it was all about sex and it isn't.

There are all kinds of jokes in the shows, not just dirty ones.

Nico said...

Hey John, any word on a Spumco Comic-Con panel yet?

Gavin Freitas said...

That sucks about the Spike TV deal. Fuck them. Didnt they ask you to be a little dirty? Believe me John, someone will put some new Ren & Stimpys out. Adult Swim would be perfect for some Ren & Stimpy. Would you ever put out Ren & Stimpy on your own?

Anonymous said...

spumco's R&S has always been risque; i'm surprised Nick let films like 'the great outdoors' pass. Upon inspection of the Games episodes, it appears that Nick was much more lenient toward that bunch since they had some *questionable* material as well

Its been a *shock* for ppl who *grew up* on R&S but those ppl forget that its a cartoon whose episodic plot is basically finding excuses for hilarious gags. Its non-linear unlike say Doug or Rugrats; So ppl can't deal w/ a homo joke and that is what really gets in the way of them being able to find humor in Spumco's genius

Anonymous said...

they've been so successfully conditioned into political correctness and homogeneity that anything that verges on risque or questionable will immediately spearhead a tedious debate on what is 'right' or 'wrong'. Same thing w/ any other type of media - music, films. Ppl like things understandable, polite and formulaic. like whens the last time you saw an independent film that wasn't an *independent film*?

Duck Dodgers said...

QUESTION FOR JOHNK

Did you see the trailer for the Lost Episodes DVD on Youtube yet?

Jesse,

could you provide the link?

Duck Dodgers said...

I've seen that commercial!

John, it is horrible. It looks as your episodes are only sex and gross jokes.
what maroons.

I've seen all the episodes from more than 3 months and they are marvellous.
Some sequences are perfect, like the love scene with Stimpy dressed as a female duck. That is a classic!

"Naked Beach Frenzy" is a masterpiece, with great timing, eye popping gags and sexy girls too!

"Ren Seeks Help" is probably the best of the bunch, 100% perfect, a real, real true masterpiece!

Chris Wyatt said...

Why are people offended by a homosexual love scene, surely that makes them homophobes?

Roberto González said...

I wasn't offended by the scene, but it seems a little weird to see Stimpy being so clearly gay. I mean, you'd surely find it weird if they had made a cartoon with Bugs and Elmer getting laid instead of just kissing each other.

I think it would have been an hilarious scene the way John k. has planned it.

However, like I said before, I actually think the gay jokes were one of the funniest parts in the episode. I liked Ren turning into..er, it was Robert Mitchum, wasn't he? And that gags at least showed some moments of love and charm in a really crude cartoon. Like I said before I HATE the gross gags in this cartoon.

About George Liquor, I like the animation and the acting in that flash bit, it's pretty funny and I also think the bible reading could be a pretty good idea. Go for it!

Brian Goss said...

I'd love to see George doing a Patton-like inspirational speech. Like ... what life would be like if he was president of the world.

He takes the platform, stirring the emotion of the crowd... eyes gleaming - ablaze with passion for the hearts and minds of us all...

;)

The Butcher said...

"but it seems a little weird to see Stimpy being so clearly gay."

A friend of mine and I were talking about how silly some fans were for being getting upset about Ren and Stimpy being "gay", when it dawned on us! Does Stimpy even really have a gender? I mean, he's refered to as "he", but he's capable of giving birth. I've counted 3 times so far! It became clear to me that Stimpy is not only androgonous, but quite possibly the most flexible character in cartoon history. He can be or do ANYTHING. There are absolutely no limits. I'm starting to understand why John described him as a weird fantasy character.

As for feeling sorry for the guy who animated the sex scene, I'm gonna have to call you on this one, John. It was a funny scene that a lot of people just couldn't get past. I believe the whole "pitcher/catcher" thing alone would have generated the same reaction. There's no reason you should denounce the scene now as the same weak-minded individuals who hated it are likely to feel the same way about other dirty jokes.

You're letting the cartoon-hating terrorists win. Don't be a flip-flopper.

David Germain said...

Prepare to get owned, pinko. ;)

I think "Twig Boy" is the one getting owned THAT day. ;)

Who is that in the picture above his fireplace?

That either looks like John Wayne or Charles Napier.

JohnK said...

>>
You're letting the cartoon-hating terrorists win. Don't be a flip-flopper.<<

I'm not being a flip-flopper. I always hated the scene and it was never supposed to be there. But I put it in the supplemental section for the 3 people who actually liked it.

Colonel Sanders said...

"It's not a war, it's an occupation."

OF COURSE it's an "occupation", silly! The US army is a business, and being a military soldier is a job! ; D

Anyways, not to burst your bubble, but I'd like to remind you that John is no fan of the likes of Barbara Streisand!

But I'll agree with you on one thing; it's not really a "war". If it were, we would have blown that place to pieces BEFORE sending in troops, so we could send some of the jackasses to Allah!

Oops, I'm sorry! I forgot! "No more political talk". I'll shut my trap about it from now on!

Anonymous said...

Capitalism is the exchange of "shit"! We always hear about "taking a shit" or "giving a shit"! :D

JohnK said...

Jorge

you're getting a little too x rated for me.

R is my limit.

Drew said...

I really don't care about the baseball scene. It was your decision John and respect that. I thought it looked even better without it.

-Drew

Jorge Garrido said...

Sorry, John. At least we've established that there ARE limits.

The Butcher said...

Well if you insist you've always hated it, that's cool. It's just a few seconds of lumps moving around under bed sheets, so it's no big deal. I was just disapointed when I thought you may have caved because of the negative reviews.

Roberto González said...

The butcher, I totally get what you say. I rewatched Son Of Stimpy just yesterday. Stimpy is the mother there, but he's called "Dad". In Fake Dad he also acts like the mother. That's in fact why I am not mad with the scene (I didn't even say I hate it) , because it's very clear about their condition and I prefer when they are those kind of magic characters that can have some straight and some gay tendencies without being too clear about any of them.

As always nobody answers to the question "Would you want to see Bugs and Elmer getting laid in a cartoon?" cause I probably most of you wouldn't.

That said, I also think it's stupid that scene only got some much atention and hate, and I assure you that's not the part of the cartoon I don't like. It's all the giant booger, vomit and poo after kissing a rat's butt what seems too nasty . There are lots of gross gags in other Spumco cartoons, but those detract me for the story and the animation, which I actually like. I think it's a nice story about Ren and Stimpy trying to live better and finally becoming to their old status. I even like the idea of living in the spittoon and thinking it's really high-class. I wouldn't have any problem with some gross detail here and there, but when they begin to actually EAT HUGE BOOGERS and VOMIT I really can't enjoy it.

I think it's a more valid reason to not enjoy this cartoon than all the gay stuff, but I'm sure a lot of people it's going to say I'm wrong...

Anonymous said...

I love Mike Pataki's voice! It's just demented enough to make the character truly memorable, especially with the breadbox-shaped body and sausage appendages. I loved the "Jimmy the Idiot Gets a Haircut" comic from a few months back, and it was even more fun hearing Mike's voice in my head. It would be great to see more George Liquor in the future. Can't wait until I get the new DVDs John!

Anonymous said...

>>There are lots of gross gags in other Spumco cartoons, but those detract me for the story and the animation, which I actually like. I think it's a nice story about Ren and Stimpy trying to live better and finally becoming to their old status. I even like the idea of living in the spittoon and thinking it's really high-class. I wouldn't have any problem with some gross detail here and there, but when they begin to actually EAT HUGE BOOGERS and VOMIT I really can't enjoy it.<<

I haven't seen APC yet (I live in England where I'm pretty sure it's never aired) but from what I've heard it sounds like they use gross stuff as jokes rather making jokes out of gross stuff. I don't have a problem with gross-out or offensive humour as long as the jokes are funny and not just gross or offensive. Take my favourite Sarah Silverman joke "I really want an abortion but I'm having trouble concieving" it's not funny because it's offensive it's funny because it's a great joke.
Like I said I haven't seen APC so I don't know if this is accurate or not, even if it is I'll still be able to enjoy the beautiful animation.

JohnK said...

>>gross detail here and there, but when they begin to actually EAT HUGE BOOGERS and VOMIT I really can't enjoy it.

I think it's a more valid reason to not enjoy this cartoon than all the gay stuff, but I'm sure a lot of people it's going to say I'm wrong...<<


That cartoon was written in direct response to the hundreds of letters I got from fans begging me to do a pure gross out cartoon for them.

When you please some fans there will always be others who you don't please.

That's why I make so many different types of cartoons and gags, so I won't have to water down each one to try to please every person on the planet at the same time.

That's a guaranteed recipe for blandness and my fans would really kill me if I did that.

You can't win!

JohnK said...

Hmmm...modern cartoons aren't timed "too fast". That suggests that something is happening.

They are timed too evenly, with no pacing. They use the same formula of antic, overshoot-settle for every move or they have no timing at all as in South Park. You have to have animation to have timing.

To just butt dialogue back to back with no pauses as in Family Guy is not timing. It's lack of timing.

I'm going to do a post about timing soon, with examples to explain what it is once and for all, because it seems most people aren't even able to define it.

There are more jokes in a minute of a good WB or Spumco cartoon than in a whole season of most of these new shows-and many different kinds of jokes.

Wall to wall dialogue does not equal good dialogue or lots of jokes or good timing. It's merely non-stop mouths flapping.

The George Liquor clip that's posted here has tons of dialogue, but also pauses and pacing and different rhythms and on top of that visual acting.

And of course varied tempos and ups and downs and emotions in Mike's great voice acting.

Compare that to a minute of South Park or any other talky show.

J.D.P said...

I agree with your comments regarding the lack of timing in south park and family guy pretty much 100% but I still enjoy south park. does that make me a bad person?

kp said...

>>The bible story sounds great, but you need to pick the fun ones! They're mostly in the old testament (Babel Tower, Sodom and Gomorrah, etc.).<<

Oh I agree! I'd love to see GL emote as he reads the stories of sinnin'! If any cartoon character should get to read the Bible, it's GOT to be George Liquor.

The Butcher said...

When I was a kid, everyone loved Ren and Stimpy because it was gross. That's naturally the first reaction to the show. That's what it's notorious for. I guess it depends on where you draw the line. For me there is no line. I like things to be extreme and outrageous. The classic Ren and Stimpy's had gross gags that I later became desensitized to. Everytime I watch Onward and Upward it still grosses me out! What fun! You took one of the key elements to the show and outdid yourself. Well done!

I remember how no one did fart jokes in cartoons until Ren and Stimpy came along and everyone thought it was so disgusting. Now every cartoon has fart jokes. People can still eat while watching them. It doesn't shock anymore. Time to move along, like say make some shmoe puke gravy on mashed potatoes!

You can win, John. Wonder Showzen is completely gross. It'll catch on

Make an even grosser episode!

Anonymous said...

"I agree with your comments regarding the lack of timing in south park and family guy pretty much 100% but I still enjoy south park. does that make me a bad person?"

Pretty much...may god have mercey on your soul! lol
just kiddin'

Roberto González said...

Thanks for the answer, John. I'm happy I can make aome criticism without offending anyone here. I can also see the butcher's point. I have experimented that myself. I didn't like Classic Ren and Stimpy because of the gross gags but I really could forgive a lot of the disgusting stuff because I loved the show. In a couple of episodes they really cross the line for me (Fake Dad and The Cat That Laid The Golden Hairball). I admit that, after the first shocking experience, I kind of enjoyed rewatching them and finally they didn't shock me so much (for some reason I now consider Fake Dad brilliant and "Hairball" average, but that's another story).

I still think Onward and Upward is 50 times grosser than those two, though, but I like to see there is some reason to do that stuff (in this example the petition of some fans) and it's not pure offense for the sake of it.

I don't really care said...

That cartoon was written in direct response to the hundreds of letters I got from fans begging me to do a pure gross out cartoon for them.

Maybe you should've put disclaimers in front of each cartoon before they aired, explaining the rationale behind them. A lot of people nowadays can't recognize art without the accompanying explanation (a lot of times it wouldn't BE art without the explanation).


As always nobody answers to the question "Would you want to see Bugs and Elmer getting laid in a cartoon?" cause I probably most of you wouldn't.

We didn't "see" R&S getting laid.
All movie entertainment was shaped in that time by the Hayes office... there is no telling what might have happened without overt censorship, although the scenario you describe would probably still have only appeared in a Tijuana bible, if anywhere. But cartoons and movies weren't more risque, in part, because they couldn't be. I'm sure a lot of directors would've liked to go farther. But many straight people have always been queasy about homos. My own opinion is, "big deal." I'm more worried about pro-racism, pro-sexism and pro-homophobic-type things. If Bugs wants to give Elmer a reacharound, it's nothing to me.

I have never believed in "what most people would want to see" as the indicator of what is valid entertainment. I might want to see lots of things that you don't, and vice versa. What most people would want to see is only important if you are designing entertainment only for most people and their values, whoever and whatever they are, and trying to anticipate what won't offend them... what about everybody else? Don't they get to be fully entertained, ever? To me it's just a cartoon, it's not a life lesson. It plays with or without the fag gag, because, well, I don't really care. I don't obsess about gags I don't like. I get upset about cartoons with no funny animation in them.

I agree with your comments...but I still enjoy south park. does that make me a bad person?

Not to me. I enjoy south park too, but not for the same reasons that I like cartoons. for me it's really almost impossible to watch the same one twice.

I've been saying we need more differentiation in the kinds of animation, but I've never known how. maybe we could start calling what JohnK does a CARTOON, and calling what south park and family guy do a DISPOSABLE cartoon...

arkleseizure said...

I agree (except for the only watching South Park episodes once thing). I think Animated Sitcom would be a better term to use though. There's nothing disposable about classic Simpsons.

Shawn said...

>>Maybe you should've put disclaimers in front of each cartoon before they aired, explaining the rationale behind them. A lot of people nowadays can't recognize art without the accompanying explanation (a lot of times it wouldn't BE art without the explanation).<<


Why does John need to explain his reasons for every damn joke? Cartoonists should be allowed to make cartoons that they themselves enjoy too without having to rationalize everything.

If you don't like the fag jokes, then laugh at the other jokes. No reason to cry like a baby if there's a sick joke in a Ren and Stimpy cartoon that hurts your fragile feelings.

I don't watch South Park. It's not because it offends me (I like some cartoons and comics that are 10 times more offensive), I just don't like it. I don't see any talent in it and it bores me. But I don't constantly question why I don't think it's funny. Instead, I just watch other shows that I do like.

Do you want to begin every cartoon show with Whoopie Goldberg talking your ear off, or Leonard Maltin with his purple lips.

Frankie said...

I'd buy anything Mike Pataki and George Liquor tell me too! I bet if George got to advertise good T.V. shows that got canceled, theyd get a whole new audience and get put back on the air!

I don't know why other shows don't Use Mike Pataki like you do! Hes got such a great voice.

Anonymous said...

>>>Explanation:

I'm the dirty communist censor of that scene. The scene was never supposed to have any sex in it. They were under the sheets playing baseball.The whole "Pitcher-catcher" thing was supposed to be a vague metaphor, like in the original series.

But...the animator decided on his own to animate some actual sex happening under the sheets and I wanted to cut it as soon as I saw it, but I felt sorry for the animator who thought it was funny.

So I left it in...and paid for it!

It caused a minor furor in the animation newsgroups online by a few idiots who thought I purposely sabatoged the whole series by condoning homosexuality and the execs saw this at Spike and thought everyone felt the same way and ultimately cancelled the show on me. And you.

I should have trusted my instincts and cut it before it ever aired. Then maybe we'd still be making new episodes for you.

But...the scene IS there in the supplemental material for those of you who do love the homosexual act, so hunt for it.

I also restored much footage that Spike had to cut for broadcast so the rest of the cartoons are intact.

Forgive me!<<<

Lies, lies, all lies! That scene was laid out completely like that with the homosexual act. John always loves apportioning the blame on others.

lastangelman said...

1.)Mike Pataki is the best George Liquor, hands down.(Mike Fontanelli is the voice for Bugs Pussy!)
Damn, George Liquor and nephew Jimmy The Idiot'd be a great spokespersons for Golden Corral Family Restaurants and insert brand name here breakfast cereal or sausage. Hell, I'd go to Walmart or Kmart if George said it! HWether I saw it on the TV or the Web!!
2.)The animation example of George making his tower records pitch is great stuff. Was that one animator doing all those different poses or did you use a bunch of different people? I fell off the chair when you gave George a boner in his pants accompanied by the sound effect. I alway lose it for good boner humour. I loved the Spum button of George in his undies scratching himself. Hysterical!!!
3.)When will the Weird Al video be broadcast?

I don't really care said...

There's nothing disposable about classic Simpsons.

I disagree. Any cartoon I can recreate 90% of in my own head by listening to the dialogue with my eyes closed is disposable, in my view. if you've seen any simpson's you know what they are doing just by listening, unless it's a scene with a purely visual gag.

Why does John need to explain his reasons for every damn joke?

Only because that's what people are like. I don't think people shouldbe like that. I'm only thinking that had it been done, it might've avoided the controversy. Maybe not.

Do you want to begin every cartoon show with Whoopie Goldberg talking your ear off, or Leonard Maltin with his purple lips.

LOL,, no, but if that's what it takes to get a clean copy of Coal Black, I'll tolerate it. I'll even welcome it.

Lies, lies, all lies! That scene was laid out completely like that with the homosexual act. John always loves apportioning the blame on others.

...Says an unnamed source.

MKN said...

"I have to check, was this meant as a joke? Because the whole "liberal jew run media" argument is fucking ridiculous."

I am a very sarcastic person. Also about Jewish people running Hollywood.

"I managed to disqualify myself by saying that while Hollywood was not really "run" by anyone (it's far too chaotic for that), if Jews were about 2.5 percent of the population and were about 60 percent of Hollywood, they might well be said to be extremely predominant in that sector." - Ben Stein

Jesse Oliver said...

Hi John

You are right, There is no good timing in most of today's cartoons. You want to see a cartoon with no timing at all? Go whatch Fairly Oddparents by Butch Hartman! The characters in that show just never shut up for one second for a puase moment! Didn't you once say that you need a pause in a cartoon to let the audeince laugh? You do the best timing for cartoons. The best timed cartoons are "Man's Best Friend", "Sven Hoek" and "Ren Seeks Help" just to name a few. Tex Avery & Bob Clampett were great at timing to.

Jesse

Jesse Oliver said...

I love the R & S cartoon "Onward & Upward". But then again I love every SPUMCO Ren & Stimpy cartoon.

I don't really care said...

You want to see a cartoon with no timing at all? Go whatch Fairly Oddparents by Butch Hartman!

An unfair example. That show was created in a vaccuum by robots for hamsters with ADD.

Dr.Awkward said...

>>> But many straight people have always been queasy about homos. My own opinion is, "big deal." I'm more worried about pro-racism, pro-sexism and pro-homophobic-type things. If Bugs wants to give Elmer a reacharound, it's nothing to me. <<<

Let me reiterate what I said before: Don't give me all that "republicans are all right-wing, homophobic, sexist, racist, Nazi Christian fundamentalists who hate Muslims and want to destroy the planet with man-made global warming" bullshit!

#1-
I don't hate gays and try to kill them; I just get a little upset that men aren't allowed to be men anymore! It annoys me that the modern male has been so feminized, that they have become these castrated, manicured metrosexuals who are afraid to act masculine around women, for fear that they won't get "laid"! If they just LOOK at a woman the wrong way, they might get sued for "sexual harassment" by a butch-ass lesbian, and be forever labeled a "sexist, male chauvinist pig"! So, they have to act LIKE women just to get ALONG with them! It's bullshit! They can't enjoy the presence of a woman anymore; oh, no!- yet they have to deal with another guy hitting on them! I don't care if two men or two women want to have intercourse (that's THEIR business), but for god's sake, keep it to yourself, man! Do you HAVE to flaunt it?

#2-
Why in the hell is it perfectly acceptable to make fun of male, heterosexual, caucasian Christians, and to have everything be gay, but yet as soon as something is deemed "offensive" to non-whites, non-christians, and homosexual- and women's- rights organizations, they make a BIIIG DEAL out of it and call it "bigoted","intolerant" and "innapropriate?!? WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH THIS WORLD?!? IS EVERYONE FULL OF SHIT?!?

#3
They want you to believe that ONLY white people are capable of racism, and when "minorities" do the same to whites, it's called "reverse discrimination"! How have things come to this?

#4
Nazis were athiests, and commies, too! Don't let anyone brainwash you into believing they were right-wing christian zealots! And Hitler, the head of this group, was a vegetarian who didn't smoke or drink, and he LOOOVED animals, so much that he killed millions of jews! Christians are more friendly to Jewish people than any other faith, so don't start that whole "anti-semitic, kid-touching catholics" garbage!

#5
Yeah, I know, " not all muslims are terrorists", BUT-
almost ALL TERRORISTS are MUSLIMS!
They are more "intolerant" of homosexuals and people who are not their faith, and give LESS rights to women, than American christians are!
Also, the non-terrorist muslims don't want shitty, depraved pop culture in their homes!

#6
I love the wild, and love animals, but I'm not gonna put them higher than people, for god's sake! I don't become a vegetarian tree-hugging, "animal-rights activist" pothead hippie shithead! Let people drive whatever the hell they want! It's their business! I don't really care what the hell you drive! It's not gonna effect the ozone whatsoever! The ice ages were responsible for that! The ENVIRONMENT ITSELF is "killing the environment", morons! But it'll bounce back! The earth is one tough planet!

Whooh! I'm glad I got THAT off my chest!

Other than that, I Don't Really Care, you're all right. You're very smart when it comes to animation; I'll give you credit there.

I don't really care said...

"I have to check, was this meant as a joke? Because the whole "liberal jew run media" argument is fucking ridiculous."

I am a very sarcastic person. Also about Jewish people running Hollywood.
"I managed to disqualify myself by saying that while Hollywood was not really "run" by anyone (it's far too chaotic for that), if Jews were about 2.5 percent of the population and were about 60 percent of Hollywood, they might well be said to be extremely predominant in that sector." - Ben Stein


Hollywood is only a subset of media, and the jews there are only there because they bring in returns for the corporations that own the studios... General Electric, Sony, Vivendi/Universal, Viacom, Rupert Murdoch, Mickey Mouseco... that about covers the real players are probably neither jews nor liberal. They are huge corporations dominated by corporatist politics none of them care who is picking the lettuce in their salads.

I don't really care said...

...........Whooh! I'm glad I got THAT off my chest!

...I'm sorry, I really don't know what you're talking about, or why you are talking about it, and I don't really care.

--But I did come away with the sense that it was pretty much all wrong.

Shawn said...

I thought this blog was supposed to be about cartoons.

Dr.Awkward said...

And you were too harsh on someone with autism in a previous post thread, which shows what kind of person you are!

Dr.Awkward said...

Who's the uninformed, narrow-minded, intolerant, black-and-white misunderstanding a-hole NOW?

And really, you didn't agree with at least ONE WORD I stated?

I don't really care said...

I thought this blog was supposed to be about cartoons.

Corporations are about cartoons, since there are only about 5 of them that decide everything you get to see.

I don't really care said...

Who's the uninformed, narrow-minded, intolerant, black-and-white misunderstanding a-hole NOW?

Are you talking to me? What is your grudge? Take it to therapy.

Anonymous said...

I don't really care said...

...Says an unnamed source.>>

And who are you? Without a name your pseudonym is equal to being anonymous.
Since when did you become an expert on the events that took place during ACP?

I don't really care said...

Since when did you become an expert on the events that took place during ACP?

Think this through. Isn't that very the question I was implying?

MKN said...

"I thought this blog was supposed to be about cartoons."

Yeah me too, my first post was me being sarcastic and my second one was me explaining so.

Also I found a show that should be
brought back to TV. Adult Swim use to have The Bob Clampett Show.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bob_Clampett_Show

I don't really care said...

Something for everyone, no matter who you are...That's what I love about Spumco.

There is a word for people who don't draw the line somewhere, sometime, about something... The word is "amoral". I'm not preaching, just stating a fact.

Jeremiah said...

If you're dumb enough to make such a life-altering decision because a cartoon told you to, maybe you deserve to get blown-up.

You're awfully generous to include the word "maybe".

I personally love it when satire can wear a straight face and defend the indefensible. And when people don't get it, they provide an equal measure of entertainment.

Let them fight it, I say.

Jeremiah said...

Let them fight it out, rather.

I don't really care said...

I was an animator on ACP. What's your excuse?

I neither have nor require an excuse. I pointed out that you were unnamed, and therefore, not necessarily a reliable source.

As regards my screen name, like everyione else here, all my posts can be attributed to one source, whether or not you have my vital statistics; nor have I said anything that requires my credentials in order to substantiate it. On the other hand, Mr. anonymous, you can be and are anybody at any time. And you sound suspiciously like someone with a rather petty axe to grind. Did you work on the show? How would we know? Is John gonna come after you if you reveal yourself? I doubt it, but he might refute you... and it's APC, not ACP... if you worked on the show you might have typed it a few times already, making a typo somewhat unlikely...

JohnK said...

i guess the topic of the post has been lost again

Kali Fontecchio said...

Sorry about indirectly starting some sort of weird political argument on your blog- some people can't take and/or understand a joke!

Jesse Oliver said...

The point of this post is that George Liquor makes a Damn Good Salesman! and a hell of a good TV or DVD series! Also nobody can play a character like George as good as Mike Pataki!

"GEORGE LIQUOR KICKS ASS!!!!!!!"

Jesse Oliver said...

As George Liquor once said

"IT'S DISCIPLINE THAT BEGETS LOVE!"

Dr.Awkward said...

Hey, "I Don't Really Care",

Did you even SEE the compliment I gave you?

Here it is:
"Other than that, I Don't Really Care, you're all right. You're very smart when it comes to animation; I'll give you credit there. "

Evan said...

>>I'm the dirty communist censor of that scene.

In reference to John's much earlier post, I'm glad you cut that if that's how you wanted the episode. And to me, I agree with your choice there. The main reason I think fans get upset about cuts is we want them true to your vision (or what we remember as kids). By all means, no apologies needed!

Spizzerinktum said...

Tin foil hats! Getcher tin foil hats, only $19.99!

Looking forward to the post on timing.

They are timed too evenly, with no pacing. They use the same formula of antic, overshoot-settle for every move or they have no timing at all as in South Park. You have to have animation to have timing.

Is "antic, overshoot-settle" something you'll be explaining too? I'm not familiar with the term.

JohnK said...

>>Is "antic, overshoot-settle" something you'll be explaining too? I'm not familiar with the term.<<

yeah, sure.

freeze frame the Simpsons. Before every pose, the characters move away a bit from where they are about to go (anticipation).
They then move past where they are going to stop (overshoot).
Then they settle into their final pose.

This kind of action works for some actions-mainly quick or violent actions, but not for everything you do, yet they use it for everything and it looks robotic.

It's a formula, whereas it was once a principle to be used with variation when at all.

Cats Don't Dance does a very exaggerated version of it to the point where it becomes monotonous and extremely unnatural.

It's crawling all over the big budget CGI movies too.

Frankie said...

I'd like to see a George cartoon about this post becoming a battle of people who are arguing about things on some one elses blog.

Oh wait, John doesn't go out of his way to make fun of people so he'd never do that!I guess I should point this out, that was not sarcasm, John did not set up this web site so people could argue! I don't think Mr K's potential investors would like to see us all bickering, we should get along and focus on John's cartoons and posts!

I don't really care said...

If I can believe what the director himself said, it was not planned in the more explicit way in which it turned out.

I don't really care said...

Then do it with substance. No reason to take your word over the director's.

I've contributed enough to enough tangents. I just hate to see bad ideas go unchallenged.

k9_kaos said...

John K said:
"I was thinking of using stock animation (like in this commercial) to get George to read passages from the bible and put them up every few days.
Would you like that?"

That'd be cool! Make sure you choose good passages too, like Revelation 14:9-11 or Ezekiel 23:20-21. Make him give a sermon on each passage too!

Anyhow, to all you political nuts, (especially Dr. Awkward) here's a site that might strike your fancy. It's called Remixed War Propaganda by Micah Wright, who wrote a few of the episodes of the cartoon The Angry Beavers, such as Dag's List and The Omega Beaver. Enjoy!

Anonymous said...

John. Deleting the truth is no way to solve anything. That gay sex scene was there from day one!

JohnK said...

>>

John. Deleting the truth is no way to solve anything. That gay sex scene was there from day one! <<

Hmm, some gay guy is really intent on convincing people that I condone his preference for the male backside.

Even after I admitted censoring the cartoon myself and explained why. Now, if I drew that scene I would have left it in.

I'd love to see this layout that never happened, but of course there isn't one so no one will believe the story.

I restored all the other scenes that were cut out by the network.

lastangelman said...

Back to the point people, is George Liquor a damn fine salesman or not?
I say, HELL YES! and Mr Pataki is the best voice for that character, makes you sit up and take notice, damn funny, almost like Brian Doyle-Murray, yeah that's who George Liquor reminds of, Brian Doyle Murray
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0236519/

http://www.allmovie.com/cg/avg.dll?p=avg&sql=2:88193

Craig D said...

An entire George Liquor show with George handling the commercials in between segements (like they used to do on TV up through the 60s) would be great. I'd be afraid to NOT patronize his sponsors!

I really enjoyed the barbershop comic you had posted. Some of the story ideas (Meat, Deprogramming) sound really intriguing as well. Such a show would be a great outlet for more "mature" ideas and topics. That is, life-experience / elder-wisdom "mature" rather than XXX / adults-only "mature."

George could be sponsored, in part, by the AARP!

Oh yeah, Pataki's voice work as George is top-notch! I'd love to hear more of it.

fabiopower said...

ha-ha-ha! that post so vertiginous to read! (and… uff! for to translate…) well, greetings...I like George, but I believe that the latin public does not know it well.

Spizzerinktum said...

freeze frame the Simpsons. Before every pose, the characters move away a bit from where they are about to go (anticipation).
They then move past where they are going to stop (overshoot).
Then they settle into their final pose.


Got it. Looks like a cheapo device to make something flimsy and static seem "richer". Like adding corn starch.

Cats Don't Dance somehow came and went without my even hearing about it, so I googled a trailer for it, and I see what you mean. I HATE that crap. Every cartoon uses it now, and it makes me feel like I'm going to vomit right there in the theatre. It's so TIRING, too, being yanked back and forth by hammy, unnatural movements that are just cheats, to make boring characters seem "delightful". Feh.

Roberto González said...

I liked that overshoot-settle explanation, very interesting. So I guess in other actions from WB cartoons the movements are more subtle and there is not such a sense of anticipation?

I guess you hated Cats Don't Dance, so...I kind of liked it, but then again I also like Who Framed Roger Rabbitt. They're not The Great Piggy Bank Robbery, but at least they are homages to the cartoons of that period.

JohnK said...

>>ACP (that's what the original title of the show was, Adult Cartoon Party, but only someone on the inside would know that<<

too bad I don't know anybody on the inside who can tell me what the name of my show was.