Thursday, October 26, 2006

Will It Ever End?







40 comments:

Mr. Semaj said...

Of all the Family Guy clips, you had to pick the infamous puke-off. :-/

Uncle Phil said...

nope.

Arson said...

I'm a completely self taught artist and common sense just made me always have darker less saturated backgrounds and then lighter and slightly brighter colors on the characters to make them pop. Plus then you could still go tone on tone without the picture being murky and not reading. When you make everything neon your eye gets tired. It's like candy camouflage.

Crumpled Up John! said...

I think the right side of the Scooby picture answers your question.

Daniel Thomas MacInnes said...

My eyes! The goggles do nothing!

Seriously, it's pretty hard to go from an art gallery by Kazuo Oga (background artist and director for Studio Ghibli) to all of this. I feel like I have to wash my eyes out.

The GagaMan(n) said...

Check out the pastel's Ralph Eggleston did for Finding Nemo, and go see how he film really looks, outside of all the marketing tripe. Judging from the Art of Pixar books, they use a lot more colour theory than most out there at the moment, even with characters as brightly lit up as those in Monsters Inc.

will said...

That glitter fairy thing punched me in the goddamn face. What the hell were they thinking? I can't imagine what poor schmuck sat in front of photoshop/quarkXpress for hours trying to line everything up right to his manager's specifications so it could all look juuuust wrong. The time invested in such an utter piece of cluttered garbage depresses me.

I used to make fun of Lisa Frank in the 2nd grade thinking of it as a fad, but no; it set a precedent. We Americans live in a world art directed by Lisa Frank and Thomas Kinkade.

If they want pink/cute, look at an early Candy Land boardgame box! My eyes are sore now. Jesus.

Chris Stewart said...

I'm a regular reader and I don't always agree with you about everything but this colour theory stuff is spot on. Good Job!

Anonymous said...

Yowwww! It's like dying and going to lame cartoon hell. The bottom level of pop culture... or almost. Maybe just above the gossip tabloids and the astrology/lottery booklets at the supermarket checkout, but just below the bass fishing magazines.

That's pretty much why I didn't enjoy "Finding Nemo" at all- generic colors. I mean, they're under the sea. They should've watched hours of Jacques Cousteau or gone snorkeling or something instead of doing all their research at the Sears Home & Garden section.

The characterizations are just as lazy. Surfer dude sea turtles... yawn...

This crap makes me not want to do art. I wanna see more of that good stuff. The inspiring stuff. I'm going to look at that Hanna-Barbara bg post again to cleanse my mind.

Trevour said...

The thing that gets me about that top image is, HOW could a little girl even KNOW what that was if she saw it on a store shelf?!?

David Germain said...

Wow! That Glitter Fairy Paint Set just burns the retinas.

Anyway, last night I was thinking about this article you linked to before and got an idea for a webtoon you could start. I say webtoon because there's no way it would get passed any animation executive (you'll know why when you see the title).
I was thinking it could be called Nutless Ned the Animation Executive. Basically his meddling and general incompetence would frustrate and/or torture the artists. I'm sure you've had enough experiences with those people in order to fill up many many episodes. Plus with folks like Katie, Marlo, and Uncle Eddie on your side it can't go wrong.

Just an idea.

Pico said...

Pico am Color Blinds! - eep eep

Anonymous said...

Well at least I don't encounter that kind of palette in the computer games I play :)

Anonymous said...

John, you're my Mold Paint GLitter Fairy! Incidentally i think that's what they used animate Fairies Inc..

Jorge Garrido said...

Ow, don't point that thing at me!

Lindsay said...

While personal aesthetic doesn't allow me to agree with everything, I'm so greatful for these posts you've been making on color, and I hope, hope, HOPE that you keep making them. It was strange because I was just really starting to explore color theory for the first time, and BAM. You started making these posts. CREEPY. But I'm so greatful. They're really helping me to understand things I've never fully understood before.. which is sad because I'm a senior animation student! They don't help you with these things, seriously. I feel so on my own, so you're tutorials and tips are always very helpful. Even if I don't agree always, it helps me to get thinking or gain a perspective that I wouldn't have normally.
Thanks so much, you're doing great!

paublo said...

thanx so much for sharing mr K.. the "Color Theory- good color without a lot of money - Art Lozzi HB" post blew my mind...thanx again

David Gale said...

What's almost worse than the colour is that horrible soft shading (always with a little reflected light on the very edege) you see on all the Disney covers. Its on the Pooh image in this post and on the Alladin and Pinocchio images from previous posts.

mantoe said...

hmmm i think it will end when people STOP paying money for these things. simple as that. if there is no money coming in then the animation exces, none of whom are artists with integrity i think, will reconsider options. you know what they say about C.R.E.A.M. Cash Rules Everything Around Me

the plummer said...

here's a rant about video box cover art/poster art out of disney: it blows my mind that I see absolutely breathtaking art and illustration sometimes from people on internet galleries...who I later find out are just some 16 year old from canada or something like that. they have beautiful use of color, form...then all of a sudden I come across all that Disney poster art. Where do they dig up those cretians and pay them buttloads of cash to make those things??

And why do they have to constantly be overly airbrushed into faux 3d lifeless forms that make no sense for a 2d film? The world may never know.

Chris_Garrison said...

This makes me think of all those terrible Don Bluth rainbow-colored backgrounds. They make me want to go to sleep, probably because my eyes are instantly tired out. They're almost as grotesque as his scripts.

One time I met Ralph Bakshi, and he said Bluth was a gay, fundamentalist Christian. Haw!

We could have an experiment where we take images like these and desaturate them, and shift the hues to be more interesting. I'd like to see how they come out.

Anonymous said...

As the father of 3 children, I can tell you right now that none of these things were done with any artistic consideration (yes, i know that's the point).

Every single one of these things is made to sell something to a child. To compare these things with "art" is comparing apples to oranges.

akira said...

i think they ask kids what their favorite colors are and then color everything according to that... whenever i hear kids answering the question, "what's your favorite color" i hear a lot of pinks and purples. it's the age of test marketing...

Shawn said...

Hey John,
Stimpy is a red cat with a big blue nose. Do you think it's okay (in some cases) to use primary and secondary colors on the characters as long as the background colors are tasteful?

David Gale said...

Almost worse than the colours are those awful soft shadows (always with the reflected light on the very edge)that you see on all the Disney boxes. See the Pooh image here and the Alladin and Pinnochio images from the last few posts. Yuck.

Eric C. said...

Hey John, I've got a question.

Are you agenst art fourms that's not detailed meaning cartoons?

It seems to me that you use the word "Style" as a bad thing.

I consider the classic Ren & Stimpy somewhat of a style. I didn't even look like traditional cartoons from the 1940s exept the pilot Big House Blues.

I also noticed in the original R&S that they're was a somewhat of a sick weird style to the shows flavor. Adult Party however is more detailed and more logical to adulthood. I'm not saying that it's bad or anything. But as a fan, It seems to me like your taking a different aproch to your work. Like to make your cartoons more like the 1940s Clampett cartoons.

_Eric ;)

Flashfink! said...

It will NEVER end as long as there's so much stuff out there competing for our attention and dollars. Good art tends to not be loud enough to get noticed.

Eric C. said...

John, Do you know Danny Antonucci?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ns5RPHQigg
(Strong Content)

_Eric ;)

JohnK said...

>>Every single one of these things is made to sell something to a child. <<

I don't believe for a second that kids don't like variety. They love surprises.

They don't analyze what they are looking at but they like fun.

The same colors over and over again that break up the image is not fun. It's anarchic monotony.

Look at my next post and see real fun.

Vanoni! said...

I realize a lot of this garish, pink and purple color started in the 80's (before the computer boom) - but I wonder how much of this is being perpetuated these days because artists working digitally are selecting random RGB swatches from their software's limited palette, instead of realizing they can create colors!
(Like you used to with that messy stuff called paint!)

I see so many artists allowing their computer to make more and more decisions for them that I wouldn't doubt it.

- Corbett

JohnK said...

>>Stimpy is a red cat with a big blue nose. Do you think it's okay (in some cases) to use primary and secondary colors on the characters<<

Yeah you're right. The red is not middle red though and it is separated from the blue by neutral colors on his muzzle and eye mask.

The blue and red are not touching.

But it's not a sophisticated color scheme.

Kitty said...

I love colourful fairies! <3 It seems you pick all the colourful pony/fairy stuff to pick on.
I have always loved neons and glowing gradients. That is what attracted me to My Little Pony and Rainbow Brite. As a young kid, I didn't like Ren and Stimpy. I guess it was the colours that didn't pull me in. I was a kid. Still a kid in a way. Though I see where you're coming from. It stays true to the classic style. I respect both styles. But applying what you're saying to shows like "Rainbow Brite" or "Mucha Lucha", that are intended to be bright and colourful would just mess up the whole show. Adding bright colours to lets say... a classic cartoon that has harmony type colours would mess it up. It all depends on the style and mood.

Just my point of view on it.

S.G.A said...

heheheheh, great grabs, evil tiny toons, do you want to leave?, puking, mouldy faeries and awful color.

PCUnfunny said...

In a world were cartoons are controlled by writers who aren't even literate and Flava Flave has a TV show,no I don't think it will ever end.

Anonymous said...

Child psychologists, toymakers, hippie ladies, and network executives!

The hell with that, I'm off to the cartoonist commune!

If you can't change the system, you might as well create your own.

lastangelman said...

My biggest beef against Tiny Toons was the colour scheme - thanks for reminding me! My fair lady - the artist - loves this stuff and can't understand why it drives me crazy - have people been conditioned to love these "fairy colours" and think it is natural? I shudder visibly.

Shitbitch said...

"Child psychologists, toymakers, hippie ladies, and network executives!

The hell with that, I'm off to the cartoonist commune!

If you can't change the system, you might as well create your own."

What the hell are you implying here, Mr. Anonymous?

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Mattieshoe said...

the contrast and saturation in that Tiny Toons picture were jacked way up.


Some Furry's idea of "restoration" I'm guessing.

The actual special was much more moody and Greyed, and it was pretty weird seeing characters with that kind of color scheme painted into it.
(they even tried toning down the pinks and greens on the characters to make them more appealing.)


Amazingly, they actually let Rich Arons write for this special!!

That's the way I think WBA was headed in the Mid 90s. (of course things went to hell after the network switch to the WB, and these shows became FAR FAR FAR FAR too over-scripted.

JUST LOOK AT THIS MONSTROSITY!!

http://www2.cruzio.com/~keeper/UAdearmr.html

HOLY CRAP!!!

this only covers about three minutes of screen time!!


I don't know what happened at WBA between 1994 and 1995, but it sure as hell ruined any chance these shows had at gaining respect from any animators or cartoonists.
(the scrips from before 1995 looked nothing like this. They looked more like the scrips you guys used for Ren and Stimpy, at least as far as the amount of direction given is concerned.)