Wednesday, November 01, 2006

Someone is reading


"Fred Seibert Oct 18th
Manny, other than a Powerpuff Girls Golden Book that Craig McCraken did in homage to the classic Hanna-Barbera books, this illustration is the neatest modern-retro painting I've seen in a long time. Thanks."

http://frederatorblogs.com/post/2431

Hey Fred, maybe you forgot about these products I made with you and Kevin and Bill and Joe a couple years before that Golden Book.
http://johnkstuff.blogspot.com/2006/03/john-k-package-design.html
http://johnkstuff.blogspot.com/2006/10/spumco-toys-and-comics-barbie-has-them.html

http://frederatorblogs.com/frederator_studios

42 comments:

Trevour said...

There's no doubt this had to have SOME influence!

Stephen Worth said...

Isn't the internet remarkable... It simultaneously inspires artists to learn new techniques from other artists, and guarantees that they're truly incorporating only the technique into their own work, not just imitating the work of others.

It looks like it's time to link to your The Importance of Having Lots of Influences article again.

See ya
Steve

Katie said...

It is a nice looking poster, but certainly less than honorable.

With all the people who gave you crap for the way the APC DVD was organized and colored, they should be all over this guy just as bad. However, I'm sure the people who get on your case will be the first in line to pat this guy on the back.

It's an unfortunate thing when artists form their opinions about whether something is good or not based on everything EXCEPT the art itself. It's detrimental to everyone in the industry trying to survive as an entertainer/artist, and I hope they someday realize that.

queefy said...

Maybe I'm wrong here but it looks like this guy ripped you off.

mike f. said...

Let me guess: one is stupid and the other one is mean. Do I win?

I would have given the two creators the benefit of the doubt - and allowed them to "own up" to the obvious inspiration for the characters and the layout, but then I read their interview. There's not too much owning up going on there.

Plagiarism is the sincerest form of flattery, as the man said.

Shawn said...

Imitation is the purest form of plagiarism.

NARTHAX said...

"Imitation is the sincerrest form of television." - Fred Allen

Anonymous said...

At least its a somewhat well drawn ripoff...

I admire retro cartoons as much as the next animation, but Im getting sick of every new nickelodean cartoon/Fantagraphics graphic novel, having the same 50's retro kitschy feel to it.

Its as if it was the 1830's and instead of Moving on to Beethoven Romanticism etc. classical composers were still holding up Bach as the paragon of musical achievement and continuing to compose in Baroque style.

If you look at the history of animation it starts in the 20's and then ends in the late 50's early 60's with Whats Opera Doc and The Flinstones.

There have been some good animated shows since then but Ren And Stimpy is the only show whos writing came from the drawings, facial expressions etc. and succeeded because rather than in spite of the animation.

It seems as if creativity is illegal today, If you are enthusiastic and try to create something original you'll just get sneered by postmodern hipsters who refuse to laugh at anything that isnt an obscure reference to a sitcom from 1987 or the Superfriends Tv series.

Im sick to death of irony and pop culture references and the only way I see change happening is if a modern day Chuck Jones can come up with something completely original that blows all the adult swim crap out of the water.

Art F. said...

imitation flattery is the purest form of plagiarism. bad form! BOO on them! when i first saw the pictures without clicking on the links i thought, "hey, when did John draw those two dog-looking things? never seen them before." now i know why.

Mariana said...

Hola soy Mariana, amo tus dibujos, es una pena que tu trabajo no sea accesible aqui donde vivo. Bueno besos guapo!

Anonymous said...

I tried to find the lost episodes on my torrent download whatchaMccallit' but couldn't. I think it's preotected by the United States government.

Fred rocks though! Whayda go Freddy boy! Drop by my pad for bagels and mocachinos anytime man! Happy 4th July weekend! Yahooooo

Sam Logan said...

The astonishing thing isn't even so much the similar background and rendering style, which could at least theoretically be conincidental. It's the red-on-maroon top header and the white-on-grey/blue byline box. Pretty astonishing. John, when you said you wanted artists to make use of all the good ideas you were giving away for free on this blog, I guess these guys were listening!

Katie... it's always difficult for (some) people to not let their personal opinions of artists cloud their ability to judge their actual art. Every time I express any kind of opinion about a touchy issue on my site, someone always emails in to inform me they're "never going to read my comic again..." even if the opinon has nothing to do with comics, or even art at all!

I'm sure some people will always trash John's work, no matter how good it is, just because he rubs them the wrong way. Seeing the same thing coming from something else lets them be a bit more unbiased. They probably don't even realize they are doing it.

Anonymous said...

Lmao @ John's comments in the link.

Ryan G. said...

You are the king of retro John.

Mad Taylor said...

John,
Did you ever post images of the "ultimate set" that is more graphic in design?

queefy said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcPBXM4jVKc

--Special The pussycat

John may I ask when this was made? It is quite possibly the funniest thing I've ever seen.

Gabriel said...

John may I ask when this was made? It is quite possibly the funniest thing I've ever seen.

I think it's just someone trying to imitate him. Again.

R said...

It could be worse, it could be Schnookums and Meat again.

david gemmill said...

its just toonist stuff. who cares.

Fred Seibert said...

John, I think most everyone I know acknowledges you as the master of all things retro: cartoons, merch, and music. Thanks for helping us all see the light: http://frederatorblogs.com/post/2599

JohnK said...

Special the Pussycat was made byAaron Springer, a very talented cartoonist. He asked me to do a voice on the cartoon.

JohnK said...

Try acknowledging it with something tangible sometime rather than spending 12 years and millions of bucks trying to get other people to be someone that still exists.

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Anonymous said...

Fake John K is to the real John K as the Monkees are to the Beatles.... no, I take that back. None of the John K imitators are even as good as the Monkees.

Why isn't Frederator doing John K cartoons if they like his style so much?

JohnK said...

>>Any chance you or your Tenacious D chums will have that Classico animation in some other format other than flash video?<<

We replaced it with a slightly higher quality version. It's probably still not as good as video. I'm sure it will get released on a DVD soon.

Anonymous said...

Oh burn!

Ted said...

How the Monkees might be on topic and good for here: I just saw a Kool Aid ad with the Monkees and Bugs Bunny; Tex Avery did a bunch of the Kool Aid Bugs Bunny, so I wonder if the Bugsmonkee was done by him...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6N3PikH2_g

NARTHAX said...

Why isn't Frederator doing John K cartoons if they like his style so much?

Because John is closer to 50 years old than 23 years old.

akira said...

hey is that blue dog with the red nose "Mumbleberry Mutt", the cereal box character from the Ripping Friends episode where the guy swallowed the cereal prize?

i was just watching the ripping friends dvd and noticed a striking resemblance.. any chance of releasing the entire series on DVD with commentary and extras?

Anonymous said...

Why isn't Frederator doing John K cartoons if they like his style so much?

Because John is closer to 50 years old than 23 years old.


If I was a network executive, I'd hire a 50 year old professional with talent, experience and skill and give him a crew of 23 year olds with raw talent to train. I wouldn't hire an inexperienced 23 year old and tell him to pretend to be seasoned a professional.

EIBass said...

What a thief.
What's really screwed up is this Fred most certainly saw the DVD prior to the post card, as did the rip off artists. So they all conspired together to steal from you. That’s funny and sad. And from a guy that calls you "Bud". Not even nice enough to give you a reach around while he fucks you.

I want to see more John k cartoons not copy cats or dogs.

Justin said...

>queefy said...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcPBXM4jVKc

--Special The pussycat

John may I ask when this was made? It is quite possibly the funniest thing I've ever seen.<

Hahaha! That was hilarious (and distrubing)! I'd love to see that fully colored/animated.

Jorge Garrido said...

>Because John is closer to 50 years old than 23 years old.

Yet his idea are, fresher, better, more creative and more youthful than anything 21 year olds like Seth MacFarlane are doing.

Anonymous said...

actually they arent fanboy jorge, if they were people wouldve bought millions of ripping friends dvds and brought it out of cancellation

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Anonymous said...

>Anonymous said...
actually they arent fanboy jorge, if they were people wouldve bought millions of ripping friends dvds and brought it out of cancellation<

What can I say? Some people have bad taste.

Jorge Garrido said...

>actually they arent fanboy jorge, if they were people wouldve bought millions of ripping friends dvds and brought it out of cancellation

I'm not being a fanboy, I'm calling a spade a spade.

Flutopia Unchartered said...

your posts are soo educational..im an also an aspiring animator and my main influences are those work done by classic animators especially those bg painters. As i have watched and tried to delve into animation i have developed a deep love for making great bgs and i have so much admired the works of classic bg painters from termite terrace with the likes of Maurice Noble, Earnie Nordli, Dick Ung and also of Hawley Pratt..i know this is kind of an off-topic post but it'd be a treat if you could post some of your ideas and insights about bg painting focusing on the works of Maurice Noble and Hawley Pratt as examples..thank you so much for giving out your ideas and insights your color theory posts are awesome..i will definitely keep them in mind..thanks again!!

Vanoni! said...

That wasn't the issue for me-it was the flash video streaming format that brings my mac to a screaming halt.

For what it's worth - the Flash video plays just fine on my 3 macs. All are running 10.4.

Shitbitch said...

While we're on the topic, here's a webgame I found. Pay attention to the intro and alternate endings:

http://www.weebls-stuff.com/games/bconstructive/

Sharon said...

I was searching for blogs that had Videos in them and came across yours. I live in USA and I have a free online video sharing site that you can embed some videos to your blog too. I like the posts on your blog, so I have bookmarked it to stop by periodically. Take care. Sharon

Bishop Animation said...

It looks like I picked the wrong week to try and line up an interview with John K for Channel Frederator.

http://www.channelfrederator.com