Wednesday, May 07, 2008

COMPOSITION 9 For Layout and BG artists - study other artists

OR I'LL EAT YOU








MILT GROSS









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HARVEY KURTZMAN







HANK KETCHAM








FRANK FRAZETTA




OWEN FITZGERALD

30 comments:

Anonymous said...

Your scanner must be pretty worn out, Mr.K

stiff said...

I wish I could think of a better way to say it, but Frazetta seems to have a beautiful balance/contrast of detail and broader forms.

And while I'm thinking about contrast, John, you wrote something a couple weeks ago in the middle of a big rant about how everything needs contrast, and it was kindof an epiphany for me. I think I know what you're going to say about writing cartoon dialogue, whenever you get there. Anyway, thanks. Hope you land a sponsor.

Anonymous said...

Thanks, John. Just signed up for a year membership at the Cartoon Retro site. The pictures and history of the artists are very helpful. Maybe you should have a site like that to teach us armatures about cartoons. $50.00 a year or even a $100.00 a year would be worth the knowledge you could give us. Like a correspondence coarse. Spumco Universtiy.

Anonymous said...

Thanks, John. Just signed up for a year membership at the Cartoon Retro site. The pictures and history of the artists are very helpful. Maybe you should have a site like that to teach us armatures about cartoons. $50.00 a year or even a $100.00 a year would be worth the knowledge you could give us. Like a correspondence coarse. Spumco Universtiy.

Anonymous said...

Thanks, John. Just signed up for a year membership at the Cartoon Retro site. The pictures and history of the artists are very helpful. Maybe you should have a site like that to teach us armatures about cartoons. $50.00 a year or even a $100.00 a year would be worth the knowledge you could give us. Like a correspondence coarse. Spumco Universtiy.

Anonymous said...

Thanks, John. Just signed up for a year membership at the Cartoon Retro site. The pictures and history of the artists are very helpful. Maybe you should have a site like that to teach us armatures about cartoons. $50.00 a year or even a $100.00 a year would be worth the knowledge you could give us. Like a correspondence coarse. Spumco Universtiy.

Anonymous said...

Thanks, John. Just signed up for a year membership at the Cartoon Retro site. The pictures and history of the artists are very helpful. Maybe you should have a site like that to teach us armatures about cartoons. $50.00 a year or even a $100.00 a year would be worth the knowledge you could give us. Like a correspondence coarse. Spumco Universtiy.

Anonymous said...

Thanks, John. Just signed up for a year membership at the Cartoon Retro site. The pictures and history of the artists are very helpful. Maybe you should have a site like that to teach us armatures about cartoons. $50.00 a year or even a $100.00 a year would be worth the knowledge you could give us. Like a correspondence coarse. Spumco Universtiy.

Anonymous said...

Thanks, John. Just signed up for a year membership at the Cartoon Retro site. The pictures and history of the artists are very helpful. Maybe you should have a site like that to teach us armatures about cartoons. $50.00 a year or even a $100.00 a year would be worth the knowledge you could give us. Like a correspondence coarse. Spumco Universtiy.

Anonymous said...

Thanks, John. Just signed up for a year membership at the Cartoon Retro site. The pictures and history of the artists are very helpful. Maybe you should have a site like that to teach us armatures about cartoons. $50.00 a year or even a $100.00 a year would be worth the knowledge you could give us. Like a correspondence coarse. Spumco Universtiy.

Jorge Garrido said...

The top of this post is funny as hell.

Holy shit, that Frazetta painting of the cowboy shooting the evil injuns is the coolest painting I've ever seen. I want it!!!

I already asked for The Complete Dennis the Menace Vol. 1 (along with the complete Segar Popeye Vol. 1, Complete Peanuts Vol. 1, adn The Complete Dick Tracy Vol. 1) for Christ-mas! Thanks forthe other tips, John!

I'm all set!

Marc, maybe you should link to Clarke's great post on Frazetta's funny animal comics!

http://inspiration-grab-bag.blogspot.com/2006/03/frank-frazetta-fritz-funny-animal.html

Freckled Derelict said...

Great Examples.
Thanks John

Blammo said...

Another great Post!
I love Jack Kirby and these are beautiful!
I read somewhere that you were a big comic fan.
Do you buy stuff that's current or just older stuff like the examples shown?


Jason.

Anonymous said...

How do we get John K and Steve Worth nominated for a Kennedy Center Honor?
BTW, how is Steve doing?

Anonymous said...

I just posted the second part of the Famous Artists chapter on Fundamentals of Composition at the ASIFA-Hollywood Animation Archive. Check them out...

Fundamentals of Composition Part One

Fundamentals of Composition Part Two

Thanks
Steve

Anonymous said...

God I love this blog.

Charlie J. said...

Hey John,
I found another Milt Gross book on amazon for you to link to.

http://www.amazon.com/Done-Her-Wrong-Milt-Gross/dp/1560976942/sr=8-1/qid=1166154066/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/105-9503474-1811633?ie=UTF8&s=books

Thanks for all the valuable info!

Kali Fontecchio said...

That's my favorite picture/quote of the month, "study other artists or i'll eat you!"

/\/\ikeB said...

I really like Frazetta and Kurtzman's stuff.

It seems Kurtzman likes to use a lot of pure black to provide contrast in his compositions ( from what I've seen on this blog ).
To be honest I get a little lost in Kirby's illustrations - but they're so solidly drawn my attention for it remains.

I was wondering - when you say copy, John, do you encourage the "old" tools of copying e.g. - proportional site measurement, griding ect. or should it be sheer eyeballing it and then comparing it on photoshop?
I know some animators are "against" site measurement when it comes to copying - many prefer to keep their eye and pencil moving.
I was wondering what your opinion is on this.

Also, I'm not sure what to think of this but speaking of copying, look at what this student did :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wgpi6QtTwXQ

Anonymous said...

I saw a documentary a while back and for the life of me cannot remember the name of it, but it was about great artists, and it had allot on frank razetta's work.

Anonymous said...

Sorry, about that continuous entries the server was slow and the page didn't load. I didn't think it loaded. Once again sorry. I'll never bother you all again.

Anonymous said...

you know ive been wanting to join cartoon retro, i think today is the day i will, if john k tells me too then i do! lol

tackman57 said...

Love this posting!!! Have a question about pass posts you've made, John. I'd like to read your past posts from previous months (since I've just found your blog) BUT each of the months you have in the "blog history" section come up "not on this blog" when I click them. Are your past blogs not available, is there something I'm not doing right, or is there something wrong with this site? If you have (or anyone else has) the answer for me, I'd sure appreciate being able to read your past blog postings!

Anonymous said...

whoah, that One Froggy Evening video in 3d, totally gross! 3d is no substitution for an animated cartoon. They might as well have motion captured a real frog. yuck!

Anonymous said...

Tackman 57

I noticed this too - the problem is when you click on the month of archived entries, there's a glitch. Here's an example:

http://johnkstuff.blogspot.com/rchives/2006_02_01_johnkstuff_archive.html

For some reason, the 'a' on 'archives' is cut off. If you type it in, the pages load properly. John will probably have to fix that somehow.

The Butcher said...

Frank Frazetta gives me eyeball boners. Out of all the artists you've posted I've tried to go by his example most. It'll be years before I'm able to even come close to his stuff.

Anonymous said...

A bit late on this, but... "John K, blogging!"
It's heaven, it really is.

blakepackard.blogspot.com

Chris Stangl said...

/\/\ikeB, I suspect the reason you "get lost" in Kirby drawings is that he gives nearly equal graphic weight to all his figures, background elements and detailing. This isn't as extreme as Herge's "clear line" drawing, but it's nearly the American superhero comics equivalent. Kirby didn't use blacks and tonal techniques in the extreme way of Wally Wood, Eisner or his hero Milton Caniff did. I mean, he obviously did to a degree, and it depended on who was inking him, but very generally, Kirby's compositions aren't as "heavy". He uses that famous dynamism, and guiding lines in forms to put your eyes in the right place.

BUT - and this is just my theory... Where Herge used tasteful, muted, natural colors to help the eye discern objects and characters, sometimes American comics coloring styles make the drawings confusing or ugly. You can see this stuff more clearly when Kirby is reproduced in black and white.

Anonymous said...

Wow! Your blog seems to really be having an effect on peoples taste. Suddenly all these animation geeks who willfully ignored the good stuff for years seem to actually know about a couple decent artists. A while ago people out of the blue who I would rarely talk about art with were sending me emails about things like how great Golden Book illustrations are (duh!), or as in just now, someone who 11 years ago used to tell me Mcfarlane (not of hockey fame) was God and Jack Kirby really sucked is giving me lectures about the genius of the King like I never heard of the guy.
Sure enough, I check your blog and hell if whatever they are parroting to me like it is their common knowlege is what your lecture of the day is.
I was wondering what was going on a while back with all these sudden converts then someone sent me a link to your blog and it all made sense.
Use your power wisely and not for evil.
If you for instance say acid wash jeans are cool there would be a stampeed heading down to the hardware store for some CLR....or just be diggin into their closets.

Markus said...

Yes, study other artists! That's the key. I've finally realized this myself as well.

Thank you for sharing your experience as an artist.