Sunday, February 11, 2007

BGs and Style - Part 8 - Form in Clouds

When we did the Ripping Friends, the service studios would throw out all our drawings and "correct" them. Like when we drew clouds in the sky, they knew that was wrong so they erased our clouds and replaced them with poo trails, because poo looks much better in a sky than clouds. See the poopoo at the top of this page and I'm sure you'll agree.

So then I had to put drawings of clouds together into a BG manual-including Jim Smith layouts that they had thrown away.

I eventually showed up at the studios and caught them red-handed throwing our drawings away, laughing hysterically as they smeared our skies with poo.

I told them to go outside once in a while to see what things like clouds looked like and then to draw cartooned versions of them into the cartoons. They rolled their eyes knowingly, because of how utterly foolish my suggestions were.

"Of course we know how to draw everything already! We learned how things look at Nelvana!"

25 comments:

Corey said...
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Kali Fontecchio said...
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Kali Fontecchio said...

Who did that brontosaurus drawing?

They covered JIm's drawings with poo? Terrible.

How come artists like to copy designs instead of going outside and discovering something new? I wish I were outside looking at clouds right now. Jeese.

Brian Romero said...

I can't believe they just chucked the art you guys made! What a bunch of ass-clowns. Maybe they hated cartoons as much as the average cartoon exec.

Ms. Jane D'oh said...

oh man, that's good. as a former Nor CAL layout artist, i often had to trace poo trails when i was on a job sent up from LA. i thought that maybe LA designers were mistakng smog for clouds...which is basically just poo in another form!

JohnK said...

Hi Kali

that's from a Milt Stein Supermouse comic.

RoboTaeKwon-Z said...

Hey John!
I talked to a Canadian once that worked on "The Ripping Freinds". He whined like a little girl about how tough you were on all of the Canadian artists.
You mean old cartoonist you!

Hryma said...

That's shit! no pun intended.
To throw out the greatest living cartoon/animation masters works of the past few decades, that's a freakin' crime, lock them wanker dickheads up!

SugarPete said...

But you've copied other artists, Kali? Like the Mel Crawford page John posted. You're condeming others for mistakes you make yourself.

JohnK said...

Ummm... Sugar Pete.

Copying other artists to learn from them is a great thing, if you analyze what they do.

But you have to copy a lot of different ones and learn the difference between good general concepts and specific artist stylizations and signatures.

If you steal someone else's specific designs and put them in your own film, then you are just a plagiarist.

There's nothing wrong with copying good artists' work as a study exercise.

Just don't pass it off as your own style.

SugarPete said...

I totally agree, John. That's why there's so much inbreeding of style in animation. If you like an artist's work, go to the roots of their inspirations vs solely the artist. That's why Shane Gline's cartoon retro is so amazing. You get to see the artists that inspired the animation scene of the era you've been discussing lately.

My point with Kali was just that people shouldn't throw out such broad statments because it can be easily take out of context.

queefy said...

It's negative 26 degrees outside right now. I'll just look out the windows.

PCUnfunny said...

John you must have the patience of a saint. You have put up with so much crap it's amazing.If I were you, I would either killed someone or jumped off a bridge by now. I am being very seirous when I say that. You're a true inspriation.

Kali Fontecchio said...

I'm sorry I should have used the word "steal" instead of "copy."

Thanks for jumping for my jugular so quickly!

NateBear said...

Saint Kricfalusi. Now there's an image. Except, every time i try to imagine it it comes out as you in a nun's outfit ruler-slapping the knuckles of bad cartoonists that can't ink your drawing properly.

gemini82 said...

I'm so confused. Why would a service studio do such a thing. Is not that just bad business practice? The role of a service studios is to preform a service right? If the client asks that something be done a particular way, why not do it?

P.S. forgive my ignorance on the subject.

Sean Worsham said...

Whaddya know, I guess they love the smell of excrement in the air. Maybe it's their reflection on what they really prefer clouds to smell like, what's coming out of their ass!

elephantmarchblog said...

Oy, comments pile up here fast. Whenever I check up here there's already about 48 comments, so I assume anything I put'll understandably get overlooked.

As somebody currently working in Canada, I sincerely can't defend anything that goes on here; it's pitiful. The industry here is, for lack of a better term, inbred. Except maybe that Antincucci fellows cartoon, I personally think it's brilliant; and he's just as nuts as you are. Probably just means nobodie's aggressive enough here.

I'm trying to get to a job at this Irish studio in the future. My only hope is to disregard the depressing animation culture surrounding me....

Ted said...

So how does Jasper the dog fit into the plagiarism scheme?

How about Jimmy in Jimmy's Impossible Accidents re: de sebben dwarf design?

http://photos1.blogger.com/x/blogger/781/3347/1600/496982/SebbenJimmy.jpg

Gabriel said...

i'm as baffled as everyone else. How can they judge what's good and what's bad and change it by themselves? Even if someone gave them crap to animate, shouldn't they just do their job without trying to enhance anything?

JohnK said...

>>So how does Jasper the dog fit into the plagiarism scheme?<<

I admit all the time that Jasper is Pooch the Pup. It's a cameo incidental character in one cartoon and I plug Milt Gross all the time.

My main characters are are pretty original designs, not recycled Disney or WB.

That's the difference.

I don't know what you are talking about concerning Jimmy.

Kate said...

when miyazaki was making princess monoke his animators were having trouble with fire, because somehow they had never seen fire before. appearently real fire dosen't exist in japan. Just like clouds don't exist here.

Ashen Victor said...

I´d being reading your blog since you started it, and there is one question i have to ask:

-What is good animation? I should be fun to be good? What do you understand for fun? Funny animation is one with lots of fps or oveacted characters?

Well, it´s more than one question but you get the idea... ;)

Chris Battle said...

That post made me smile. SO much good stuff... really inspiring.

Wildtrain said...

Hey John, I dont know if this is the right place to ask for this...

You see, my best friend's 30th birthday is comming up. I love him and he is really funny. He intrduced me to more or less everything i love now back in the time (including your work) and for my last birthday he made me this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytBsDkIaQ94

Is there any chance of you making him a caricature? I've uploaded some photos of him:

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u90/wildtrain/ibra.jpg

Of course i've be willing to pay a good amount of money. He loves your work and I know this would mean a lot. Thanks and I appologize in advance if this is not the right place for this type of propositions.

Nico Zarza