Saturday, January 20, 2007

BGs and Style - part 5 - Contrasts in Texture, Avoid Even Spacing



29 comments:

sean said...

i've just recently stumbled upon this use bit of information. it really does wonders. detail and textures work so much better if it's not throughout everything.

thanks for posting this.

the bottom illustration has a nice style to it, who did it?

JohnK said...

That's John Dorman, Isn't he great? A real natural artist.

Cayen said...

god, you must be one hell of a teacher to learn from! keep these up! It's too bad there are people out there who have chosen not to learn anything, really those people are nothing more then moving corpses.

Anonymous said...

Neat post John.

Jorge Garrido said...

What if you're doing 50 characters? Is grouping them into three main groups and then spacing those three unevenly enough?

I don't wanna make something like this:

http://www.topthat.net/webrock/images/gang.jpg

Iwao was a great artist but he had horrible taste.

JohnK said...

Don't do 50 characters. Nobody can make that work.

Anonymous said...

great stuff, I've been experimenting with this stuff recently, using what i've learned from your posts about backgrounds.

Jorge Garrido said...

>Don't do 50 characters. Nobody can make that work.

It'll impress my art teacher and classmates and guarantee me an level 4++... but I know in my heart I'll be selling out your lessons with a lousy compostion and a sense of busyness.

But I need a 95 average to afford money for University!

I hope you forgive me!

Your disobedient pupil,
Jorge Alejandro Garrido-Romero

Kitty said...

In the last picture, the way the background was drawn reminds me of Whatever Happened to Robot Jones.

JohnK said...

Jorge, Jorge....what do you think will get you a better grade, 50 crummy hastily drawn characters? Or 2 characters that you spend time on trying to get right?

Unless they give better marks for quantity than quality in school now.

Anonymous said...

John, I have to say you have the best site if you want to learn about animation.
I save every single pic from this blog to my hard drive for resources.
It's the only site about animation that I actually find useful.
I gratefully bow down to you.
Like many people know better I want to see real cartoons back
on tv

I talked to my little niece yesterday and she didn't even knew
bugs bunny or tom & jerrt,...
Wich kinda blew me away to realise that she will grow up watching flat, manga styled crap and no real cartoons cause they just don't show them anymore over here

Ps: What are your thoughts on Al Hirschfield.
Do you like his style of drawing?

Cayen said...

they give better marks for quantity vs quality in my opinion. My friend went to art school, he's drawings are more complexe but not nearly as good compared to before he went in.

Mad Taylor said...

A good teacher will recognize quality over quantity, so I'd say put em' to the test.

Hey John I put some sketch book material up, I'd like to know what you think.

Max Ward said...

Has anybody ever had a high school art teacher that was actually an artist? What are kids learning in art classes in high school nowadays?

Max Ward said...

I ask because it seems like what you are teaching on here is extremely fundamental, what students should learn as soon as they start learning, and I've never heard of composition, construction, color theory before you started teaching it.

cemenTIMental said...

Nobody can make that work.
Just to be contrary, Otomo did. :)

But yeah it's (a) not a good idea and (b) once you learn the principles John's teaching then the number of characters won't matter I think! :)

Cayen said...

my art teacher hated me so I never really recieved any directions. She was also more into her "high quality" artists giving them exclusive attention while ignoring the rest of us. According to her she was a famous artist, however everything I've seen of hers looked more like wallpaper you could buy from Kmart in the home improvement department.

Anonymous said...

Great post. This explains why sometimes my drawings get worse the more I render them. Too much texture homogenizes the composition.

The institution of school sucks--ESPECIALLY in art. I've had 3 art courses in my college career thus far, and all but one was a waste of time. The exception of that one class, was that the teacher had actual skill & talent and he didn't bullshit us with his critiques.

Jorge, you probably know how to play the school game, so it's a bit of a moral dilemma isn't it? :)

Mr. Semaj said...

To Max:

I had an art teach in high school. He taught us a lot about history in fine arts, as well as techniques in ceramics, pastel, acrylics, and sculpting. (I'm currently focauing on acrylics and pastels.)

He was one of my favorite teachers -- gave me something to hope for in an extremely boring school year.

queefy said...

Wooooppppp I'm back baby!

And the posts I missed are fucking amazing.

Anonymous said...

This is almost unrelated, but I was reading through my old e-mails from when the Ripping Friends were on, and I said this, and thought it was funny:



Spumco cartoons are like the only kids cartoons with weird awkward moments that make you question your sexuality.



Jordan

Mr. Semaj said...

I finally got around to posting some of the stuff I've been working on.

Since the subject is backgrounds, here are two landscapes I've drawn:

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y258/Semaj86/bkgd1.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y258/Semaj86/bkgd2.jpg

Anonymous said...

Hank Ketcham could do absolutely no wrong.

This is such a fantastic blog, John! Thanks for all of your brains and hard work.

hen said...

"Don't do 50 characters. Nobody can make that work." - Not even Pieter Brueghel or Hieronymus Bosch?

El Bergo said...

you REALLY should make a book with this lessons.

Anonymous said...

>Jorge, you probably know how to play the school game, so it's a bit of a moral dilemma isn't it? :)

Exactly, I feel like a whore and a hypocrite.

But I promise never to do it again!

I was seriously thinking of using this Mary Blair composition verbatim (second image):

http://www.animationarchive.org/2006/11/media-mary-blair-song-book-part-one.html

>Not even Pieter Brueghel or Hieronymus Bosch?

That's irrelevant, I'm not them, I'm not even Seth McFarlane.

Anonymous said...

Pitch for a TV reality show: A dozen high school cartoonists, but only one can become: John K's Cartoon Apprentice!

Raff said...

>> Pitch for a TV reality show: A dozen high school cartoonists, but only one can become: John K's Cartoon Apprentice! <<

NO!!! NO!!!!!!
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




....Unless you change the title, put it on PBS, and devote most of the show to lesson material. Then maybe.

William said...

I printed out the first four lessons and showed them to the students I tutor. They are invaluable to the growing artist turning into a grown-up that needs to keep a mind to his values.

Jorge, I don't think I'm alone when I say I want to see your drawings. And don't say you're not even Seth McFarlane! That's an insult I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy...