Friday, February 16, 2007

BGs and Style 9 Flair

EXCITING SHOWDOWN NEXT WEEK!
Be sure to be here to find out who should write cartoons. Cartoonists? Or people who don't know how cartoons work? Who is more qualified?
It's a contest of philosophies between Ted and a famous cartoonist (not me). What will win? Abstract deduction, or experience? You will be the judges and jury...don't miss it!

By the way, most of these "good examples" are drawn by that genius, Jim Smith. The one with the lava is drawn by another great artists, John Dorman.





38 comments:

Allan L. said...

All of 'em downloaded for reference. Many thanks!

Gochris said...

Jeezus that's depressing. I had no idea what you have to go through.

You hired this animation company, and they put your work through a deflavorizing machine! It's enough to make you want to retire.

But don't!

Adam Sacks said...

This might have been the most helpful background handout so far. I can't speak for anyone else, but I find it easier to learn from examples of what not to do.

abwinegar said...

Good examples on the right way and wrong way to do backgrounds with flair. Helps me see what needs to be done.

tark said...

first, your bg lessons are key.

the problem is that most of the guys that could comminssion you a background, think that a cleaned-up, iper-detailed and sterile bkg is way better and generally well accepted.

it's hard to being commissioned by someone asking for YOUR flair!

EIBass said...

This BG stuff is gold. Thanks for posting them. It's hard to believe any animators would throw this valuable info in the trash, let alone people you were paying.

David Germain said...

Yeah! Good ol' Maurice Noble. They don't make layout artists like him anymore. <:(

CaveMatt said...

Wow! Thanks again for more great posts on BG design/composition! Really inspiring roughs. Can't wait for class to start applying some of these theories.

Zwoltopia said...

Another useful bg post.
Thx for this one as well John

Trevor said...

John,you've made the case that you have a clear aesthetic. You love one type of art, you hate another. That's important for a true artist.

Now when are you going to finally make your opus? Where is your 2 hour feature?

I want to watch John K's version of a Disney classic! Do to sleeping beauty what you did to Yogi!

Cayen said...

So is that what 'perfect' portfolio's do to you? you land a job in a studio making things mechanical?
These are very awsome lessons, I will take what I learn from these and apply it :)

Gabriel said...

i'll promptly admit that i got your ideas but if i had done the job i would have fucked it up too. One thing is to see all those mistakes when someone points them out, another one is having the sensibility to not make them.

drgrafik said...

Hello John.
When I am design my cartoons I tend to think of a person with a particular personality trait that would be good for making gags or just funny. I then try and think of what type of animal character they resemble to me and I go from there. When you are deigning your characters, particularly animal characters, do you use refrences of the real animal when you are first develping your character? Or do you tend to wing it using what you recall in memory as to what the important aspects that stand out to create a caricature of it?

Also I was wondering what kind of refrences you will use for your backgrounds. The examples of good backgrounds in this blog are brilliant. I still tend to put too much information in the backgrounds I draw, but looking at yours it finally comes through that simple is better. You tend to give as much information at a glance as you would by overworking the illustration, just by making it simplified. You know that old saying K.I.S.S. (Keep It Simple, Stupid).
Do you go back to those old serials of say Flash Gordon for inspiration?
I get a bit from old Frazetta and Vallejo paintings as well as some others.
And thanks for all the posts with so much information. i download everything yoou put immediatly and start using it right away.
Cheers for that!

fabiopower said...

Hi Folks!
Excuse me,dear John, but I want to give interesting news for all your students and readers of your blog: In Southamerica we have organized two festivals of cartoons: ANIMA'O7 (Argentina) and FLIP! (Chile).
If somebody wants to send a art work and/or to participate in this competition, the rules and the program are in my blog.
That's all!
Thank you very much, John, and greetings from the ass of the world..!

dieselcreek said...

Amazing "flair" from one of my favorite artist:

http://www.drawingsofleonardo.org/


His sketches, under-painting drawings, studies of form, etc are better than most any finished painting or drawing I've ever seen.

He did great ugly people sketches and his drawings of hands were almost cartoonish (in a god-damn freaking amazing way).


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Paul B said...

mmmmhh... little detail makes the difference

Increasingly I realize of why I like some things and others not

incredile post again john!

akira said...

a debate? that would be awesome if it was a real time verbal debate that we could listen to aurally like a podcast mp3 type thing... yeah you should do a podcast interviewing debating and discussing stuff with all kinds of people or just lecturing by yourself, that would be AWESOME!

JohnK said...

I guess it's not actually a debate. It's 2 different cases.

Ted said...

Assuming you let me and Famous Cartoonist X (Famcax) respond freely to each other, I don't see why it wouldn't be a debate.

Jennifer said...

I can't wait to read the two different points of view! This is going to be interesting - I don't think that we'll be getting a typical "if-you-don't-agree-with-me-then-you're-stupid" p1$$1ng contest. I think we'll be getting two well-written views with valid arguments for both cases.

re: audios - akira has a good idea. A podcast or videocast would be great. I know that you're busy with Raketu and setting up your studio right now, but this would be nice to set up when you have a lull. There are a lot of possibilities with the podcasts/videocasts.

chucky said...

John K,

What's this about a new studio you're starting?

Aren't you a little too OLD to start a studio?

R. Banuelos said...

I think this post is the most signifigant post you've made. If there was ever a perfect example of how wrong the industry is, I think these pages speak for themselves. I had no idea they would do something like that. I thought it was all overblown ego's talking; but looking at poo poo redrawings of Jim's work is proof enough of how bad it's gotten. Why even pay for a series if you're going to throw out drawings! How much money must be wasted on redrawing and re doing things that ultimately lead to a poor looking product. Was there the same changes when it came to timing and stuff?

I'm glad you posted these pages, if there was ever a cartoon scandal these would be the exposing pictures.

I'm sorry I ever doubted you.

Ted said...

My comment is not a fully formed position; it was a series of questions about John's position (altho it is pregnant with the implication that I disagree with that position). Assuming an ongoing debate in the post tho, the position can be fleshed out more fully (which is something debates are good for; people point out flaws, which are then addressed, and so on).

The trouble with the podcast format is it doesn't allow for as much reflection on the opposing view. Podcasts that are a debate would work better as an ongoing series, where there is some initial discussion in one, then more in depth refutation in the next episode, along with new issues, which can be addressed the next time, et cetera. But then I suspect what you really want is John K talking on your iPod as opposed to listening to me and Famcax...

Robert Hume said...

Who's Ted?

Kali Fontecchio said...

Beautiful!!!


The flair ones, not the mechanical ones.

nonaveragejoe said...

Thank you for trying to open my eyes and helping me see the real deal. I really have found your BG’s and Style posting very informative. I was wondering what happened to BG’s and Style Part 7? I am only asking because my brain is thirty for more?

Ryan G. said...

God damn! That must have been frustrating. Why did they feel the need to tone down these drawings? Was it to stage the characters better?

Sean Worsham said...

The roughs do look better than the cleanups

Kate said...

I think a lot of people have this idea that finished drawings should have this... " mechanized, drafted look" for lack of better words. A lot of times that look simply isn't interesting to the eye because it's been dumbed down. I wonder what we could accomplish if we only though about what we were doing once in a while. Like if people simply took time to think, oh I am drawing velvet, and velvet is different from wood, so I should make it look different from wood using different drawing techniques. Admittedly it is something I need to work on, but I am beginning to make a conscious effort to be more representational than to fall into that "look". At least I'm trying?

Cayen said...

hey do you folks mind taking a look at a background I drew and give me some critques on it? I could use the direction.

Cayenb.blogspot.com

uriel said...

Amazing! Can't thank you enough! Big Fan!

Nick said...

Do you think UPA is responsible for the falt background phase? Maybe tryng to imatate UPA? or is it something entirely different.

Nick said...

Do you think UPA is responsible for the falt background phase? Maybe tryng to imatate UPA? or is it something entirely different.

Lyris said...

>> John K,
>> Aren't you a little too OLD to start a studio?

Aren't you a little too young to be trolling the man who revolutionised TV animation?

NateBear said...

This reminds me of 7th grade when this creepy fat kid idolized me and one day out of now where showed mea sheet of paper where he tried to reproduce my signature. Sure all the lines were in the right place but ti looked like a retarded ape programmed a computer to write it.
Furthermore, I declined the kid's offer to play with his dad's gun down by the creek. *Shivers*

Mad Taylor said...

::cracks knuckles:: can't wait to respond to the upcoming topic of discussion!

Percy Pernell said...

Greetings,
As one of the unfortunate layout artists on Ripping Friends I must comment on the pressures we were under to deliver the show. The mandate of certain individuals forced us to hand over Jim Smith influenced layouts and turn well composed and drawn layouts into uninspired product.

Uninspired meaning add as much detail as possible, thus losing the
"drawing".

Luckily not all of the layouts were
that overdrawn.....a few decent ones slipped through.....ones that Jim drew himself!!

Michelle Klein-Hass said...

For all of you who want to see further examples of the genius who is Jim "Leonardo from Lubbock" Smith, visit http://jimsmithcartoons.blogspot.com/ .