Tuesday, August 14, 2007

Popeye - "Can You Take It" (1934) - throbbing

Alas, where has all the cartoon throbbing gone?





10 comments:

Bruce said...

A cartoon without throbbing, fights, um, FUN, is very much like a forest without trees, or logic without thought. So in short, it only means one thing: The Americans are becoming a nation of WIMPS! Goddamn commies.

:: smo :: said...

the same place musical timing, proper pre-production, and orchestrated or at least competently composed soundtracks went.

someplace that WILL resurface from the depths of the animation void...really soon...

Jason Barnes said...

that punch that Bluto delivers at the end, oh my god. i almost pee'd. amazing. and yes, there is a degree of life that the unintentional "throbbing" gives the characters. good stuff

Dustin said...

Respectfully, I wonder about the difference between throbbing and the issue you mentioned in an earlier post about volume-changes when referring to some problems with the a couple Bosco studies.

It feels to me like they developed labor-saving into a style... the feet are the most apparent example in the clips you have, they throb when heaving chests and CEMENTED feet would smack more of a stringent discipline. Seems to me that zipping along with little concern for exacting volume precision would ease production pressure.

This is similar to the snap-to-it style that's also been mentioned in the recent past... By omitting hundreds of in-betweener frames we save the labor and (as they specifically mentioned in a Robot Chicken special feature) a heck of a lot of disk space.

consideration for
Time + money + disk space = style?

It's just a hypothesis but I thought I'd lay it at the Mountain's foot and ask for guidance.

litlgrey said...

Throbbing was outlawed by the Hayes Office, as it was deemed too close to real life! EVERYONE throbbed until the New Deal, see... that's the actual reason why Prescott Bush hired Marine Corps Major General Smedley Butler to exterminate FDR. And you thought the New Deal was about the economy. Nope! It was more like China's Cultural Revolution! Non-throbbers were going to be sent to camps and gassed... at least until they stopped throbbing. America as a whole stopped throbbing after VE Day, and from there on in it was all downhill... feminism, political correctness, fundamentalism, CGI, the iPhone... a throbless nation is a soulless nation.

Emmett said...

Mr. K,
A few months ago, I went to an ASIFA-East screening of proposed pilots for Nickelodeon. Someone claimed that Nickelodeon is anti-physical contact. This guy tried to justify a hint of Warner Bros. inspiration, but the guys at Nickelodeon shrugged him off. I think that's sick. That's also one of the reasons that Nickelodeon hasn't been interesting in over a decade.
What's your opinion? (I can only guess the answer).

There are countless independent shorts that still employ throbbing. Unless I'm mistaken, its now reffered to as boiling. Its a nice stylistic effect, and gives more life to the animation, same as in the Popeye clip.

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Tom Dougherty said...

Does that one creep punch Popeye in the nards? Yeesh! Talk about throbbing.

Chris said...

I think the throbbing is less of an aesthetic choice or volume mistake than it is simply a method of keeping the "beat" of the cartoon measured. John you even mentioned in a previous post how cartoonists could be likened to drummers. How is the "throb" different from the tap-tap-tap of a snare drum to keep time in a song?

I'll admit there's a certain visual appeal, but isn't that secondary to its practicality?

Hans Flagon said...

Todays "Modern Throbbing" is that fake stuff that flips 2 to four nearly drawings of the same pose so that the pose doesn't 'freeze', it may not even be hand drawn differences, merely some software tweak to some vector file.

Fliescher sometimes throbbed because they weren't always sure WHERE the timing was going to come from, though, didn't they? That is, didn't they go through a period shifting to talkies, where they weren't sure if the music was going to be done before the drawings were executed, or everything was merely dubbed in after the fact? Even with the bouncing ball stuff.