Saturday, December 20, 2008

Odd Leftovers

sorry about not posting everyone's comments till today
I was flying home last night and then I came back and discovered no internet at the house
there were 2 comments I didn't post because they are full of obscenities. I'll blank out the nasty parts and post them when my internet is working again.
By the way, I may do a post on Basil Wolverton - who may have inspired a lot of the itchiness of the 60s - and who I love
I'll explain the difference between what he does and what the bland itchers do
and maybe a post on the opposite of "appeal", which I wouldn't say is "ugly", but rather "depressing".
You can be appealing and fake ugly at the same time without being just plain down and out depressing, although depressing cartoons are more likely to win fancy awards and high critical praise













37 comments:

Ardy said...

John, you've been on a roll as of late and I'm having trouble keeping up. But I was wondering, with all the posts about appeal if you could discuss for us the appeal (or lack thereof) of Christmas specials. It seems like all the misguided principles and strange, dogmatic rituals related to animation are abandoned at Christmas time for an even more nightmarish and disturbing array of images for what is supposedly the most joyous time of year. I really have trouble trying to pinpoint where it even comes from (let alone why anyone would think it doesn't look frighteningly bad). Specifically Rankin-Bass and those unholy looking claymation specials. It makes me wonder if it isn't all just based on human stupidity and there is seriously some conspiracy out there to destroy warmth and happiness.

EalaDubh said...

Ooh! Tell us more about Hanna-Barbera records, I'm dying to know what that James Bomb album is like now. :)

Shawn said...

That James Bomb album cover is the COOLEST!

Brubaker said...

The THING costume is...don't know what to say. Is that fan-made?

I like the Snooper & Blabber cover. In fact, I find it more appealing than the actual cartoons themselves.

Jabberjaw...well, it was Scooby Doo set underwater...with a talking shark. 'nuff said.

Wow, either Elmer Fudd is shrinking or Daffy is growing.

That's one badly drawn Flintstones. Did a 7-year old drew it?

Bullwinkle and Cecil...together at last.

No comment on every other images.

M. R Darbyshire said...

Saved the best for last!

...What's computer lingo for blowing a raspberry?

lastangelman said...

Wow! A Dishonest John talking doll - nyah - ah - ah! That is a fun looking toy. Did someone burn a hole in that nose? Gotta love the Flintstones moving puzzle and the packaging.

Marlo Meekins said...

wow that last image is so retarded

Lucas Nine said...

I've sent a comment to the older post, but it seems lost. It was about Crumb's stuff (not generical underground cartoonists). I can see a connection between his work and your's. Not in the drawing, but in the humour, the mix between the cute style characters from 30's and 40's with more “adult” motivations, the exposing of nasty sides of life, the pop culture references, etc.
¿What do you think? ¿Does exixst a link in such level?

Annie Mess said...

Have you seen this yet?
It was my favorite as a kid.

Donald in Mathmagic Land

oppo said...

What's up with Dustin Hoffman?

Hans Flagon said...

Lovely, I owned, may still own, the James Bomb HB recording, and the oversized Ludwig VanDrake Barks collection. And I completely forgot that Hoffman hand anything to do with KFPanda.

Elana Pritchard said...

Those little bastards stole my inflatable boyfriend!

patrick said...

That "Bozo approved" seal is a little creepy

Phantom Spitter said...

What's that ya say? A post on Basil Wolverton, my hero?! Sounds great to me!

Somehow, the Inflate-a-Fred disturbs me. An odd selection of pictures indeed.

Emmett said...

I really can't say what I consider retarded.

That Snooper and Blabber cover is the best image you have up there. Clear and Moody. Snooper looks like he's in charge, and Blabber is quite cute.

I see where you are going with your dislike of the so called "itchy" style. Its really not all that bad. It just depends on what is done with it. I don't think it works with genuinely comedic characters.
But it works when it comes naturally with the content, much like R. Crumb.

I would have thought that Crumb was the major inspiration behind that style.

The Butcher said...

Yes! More posts on Basil Wolverton! Do you like his horror comics that are more realistic? I'd like to see a comparison of that to actual itchiness.

Whit said...

Dustin Hoffman sold his soul for money, unlike the days when he narrated that masterpiece "The Point."

Brubaker said...

"Bullwinkle and Cecil...together at last."

Correction: Bullwinkle and BEANY

It was WAY past my bedtime when I wrote that. Sorry about my stupidity.

Niki said...

Get your own Fred Flintsone you inflatable bastards!

oddly enough I think we had some kind of inflatable Dino chair or Barney the dinosaur. yech!

M. R Darbyshire said...

I also scanned in the booklet from the Flintstones Laserdisc Collection you did.

I knew the Bugs and Fred pictures looked familiar-- didn't catch 'em at first.

Steven M said...

Possibly it's because I'm terrible at searching for specific terms on your blog, but I can't seem to find any mention of Chuck Jones' "How The Grinch Stole Christmas" adaptation. If there isn't already an article or mention of it, could we possibly hear your thoughts on it?

J.R. Spumkin said...

Dustin Hoffman, have you really sunk this low?

Can't wait on that Basil Walverton post, John.

Erik. said...

To be fair, a Fred IS a kid's best friend.

Gudrød said...

Does Bugs ever close his mouth in that sequence?

I'm especially curious about the potential next post of 'good scratchiness' vs 'bad'. I want to hear your take on it, then I'll most likely comment. :)

EalaDubh said...

Hoffman has a better line of action than that CGI thing does. Dear God, look at it. :/

And I LOVE that James Bomb cover with its painted 'solid' versions of Snooper and Blabber too, it just seems to suit them so well for some weird reason I can't quite put my finger on.

EalaDubh said...

Rankin-Bass at one point employed Paul Coker Jr. as a character designer, the itchiest of all the itchy Mad Magazine artists that ever lived. His background, like Crumb's, was in greeting cards if I remember correctly.

trevor thompson said...

Man! A comic book drawn by Robert McKimson and voiced by Mel Blanc!!!

What a find that would be!

Hey John,

I've always been curious about what it is you don't like about Roger Rabbit, and I think I'm starting to see what you mean.

- trevor.

oppo said...

What's up with pople wailing of Dustin Hoffman? I just asked what's up.

Drew said...

Apologies for the random links from my blog at the bottom of this post and some of your other posts. Something wacky happened with the Blogger "link list" feature. I'll see if I can fix it pronto.

SoleilSmile said...

I like the Rankin Bass cartoons, Ardy. Especially the Paul Coker designed, 'Twas the Night Before Christmas'.

To each his own.

cemenTIMental said...

Haha that Thing costume is unintentionally amazing. :D

Pete Emslie said...

"Rankin-Bass at one point employed Paul Coker Jr. as a character designer, the itchiest of all the itchy Mad Magazine artists that ever lived."

Hey, there's nothing wrong with Paul Coker Jr.- I find his cartooning very appealing and conducive to animation design. I really like the Rankin-Bass stop-motion holiday TV specials too, as they're quite charming and unpretentious, unlike so much of the overly rendered and highly detailed CG stuff today.

C. A. M. Thompson said...

Those images are a lot more interesting than the last set. My favorites are Ludwig, the Dishonest John puppet, and the "James Bomb" record which is a pretty amazing illustration.

Bullwinkle and Beany is not a pretty image but it is a cool oddity. Is there a Rocky and Cecil one?

The Flinstones puzzle is hilarious.

I really hate anything you post from the 70's especially man-sized Bugs Bunny.

Roberto González said...

Dustin Hoffman is doing a quite retarded gesture in that picture. So what? That doesn't mean anything about character design or even the quality of the whole movie.

Also Hoffman has been in much worse movies, like Meet The Fockers.

EalaDubh said...

Hey, there's nothing wrong with Paul Coker Jr.- I find his cartooning very appealing and conducive to animation design.

Yeah, I kind of misunderstood at the time what John meant by 'itchy', as I was applying the term to Coker's scratchy fountain-pen style of line inking.

PCUnfunny said...

"Hey, there's nothing wrong with Paul Coker Jr.- I find his cartooning very appealing"

Agreed.

Brubaker said...

Coker's probably one of my favorite MAD cartoonists, along with Sergio Aragones and Antonio Prohias.

I'll admit that I have a thing for cartoons with "itchy" line-art. In addition to Coker, I'm also a big fan of Richard Thompson (NOT the Chuck Jones animator; the one that does "Cul de Sac" comic strip).