Tuesday, February 10, 2009

Disney Principles 7a - How Would You Anticipate This Action?

Bugs has to grab Elmer's gun.

NO ANTIC AT ALL

My point is that anticipations are overused in a lot of animation. You don't always need to antic every move and there are lots of different ways to get from point A to Point B. I think controlled imagination (using your imagination and knowledge to customize every move) is more interesting and natural than resorting to formula.


BTW, all the frame grabs and clips I put up from old cartoons have great drawings to copy and study.

37 comments:

Jizz Wad said...

Make Bugs do a 'How' raise hand sign (slowly) then quickly swipe downwards grabbing the gun.

Get Elmer and the audience aware of the hand before it grabs the gun.

Caleb said...

If I'm understanding correctly, I would have Bugs' hand reaching for it the same time his eyebrows show his intent. Since the joke here is how quickly he snatches it, I wouldn't have a lot of extra anticipation to slow him down. Elmer's reaction strengthens the quickness.

M. R Darbyshire said...

What if he tilted back on his heels? The opposite of leaning on his toes when he grabs the gun.

Paul B said...

I'll make a movment in the opposite direction and then a fast movement to take elmer's gun.

But here Bugs it doesn't make the anticipation, he just grab the gun fast. I think it's because is a surprise movement for Elmer.

If Bugs had anticipate the movement, the "grab movement" would not have the surprise effect for Elmer.

I think..

sorry about my English, hehe

Gabriele_Gabba said...

I really like the snappy action in the original. It suits Bug's attitude of assuming the serious chief while still being witty enough to take advantage of Elmer's dumbfounded stupidity.

If i had to come up with something I'd have him raise his hand as he says 'HOW', (palm facing Elmer-as the greeting goes) stick his chest out proudly, step up on his tip toes and on the exhale do a similar swipe to Elmer's gun.

I'll draw it up the antic tomorrow after work!

Jorge Garrido said...

Check out Elmer's body language after Bugs grabs the gun! Nice!

Hans Flagon said...

Haven't seen this in years, but I seem to remember Bigs did not break character from the stoic cigar store indian type, and in this instance, the less telegraphing of the action (from bugs), the better.

You could anticipate the action by using Elmer. And Bugs could say something to distract Elmer. For bugs it would be a quick snap and switch of gun ownership.

Sometimes (or always?) anticipation is about the -interaction- of the characters. Elmers awareness, or lack of same is the important bit. Elmer could even have handed the gun over himself.

It will be interesting to learn how it was actually handled, in case I'm dead wrong. I don't expect even a shift of eyeballs out of bugs, in anticipation, just a grab.

Sometimes the entire situation, even the entire history of the character, is the anticipation. Sometimes it is the dialog. Sometimes the gag hinges on everyone being surprised.

Trevor Thompson said...

Wouldn't you have to show his hand preparing to grab the gun before he grabs it?

That seems too obvious, so I'm probably wrong.

Wait, there's no anticipation when Daffy grabs the gun from Elmer: "Here, lemme see that thing". Is there?

I give up.

- trevor.

Harveyjames said...

I can't see it! Please use youtube next time :(

Craig D said...

Like a snake striking a mongoose!

Nice rubber hose arm.

Payo said...

There's something scwewy going on with that movie.

Anybody else having playback problems? Tried downloading it and it hitches right when Bugs' arm bows out toward the shotgun.

Christer said...

If he's sort of demonstratively going to take the gun and maybe break it over his knee (which it looks like given his facial expression), and if I'm looking to go from the first picture there to the last – I'd have his hand whip out to the side (straight out from the shoulder in 3 dimensional space), a quick halt and then the gun would be swished away – Bugs remaining quite rigid in his pose the whole while.

Christine Gerardi said...

He would just reach out and snatch it, without a big antic.

Alberto said...

Bugs would make some kind of indian signal raising up the hand then Elmer thinking it real and being confused, then the Bug's snatch...

Christer said...

Oh, and all the while, Elmer would be looking at the hand in that special, stupid way he does so well.

Thomas said...

Would it be an antic, if the end of Fudd's rifle began to droop, before Bugs grabs it? It would go with the expression on Fudd's face at that point, which is kind of withering.
The rifle could "undroop". once Bugs has it.

Ryan said...

No antic necessary. Cut to Elmer looking the other way, cut back to shot number 2. I think it's funnier not knowing how Bugs got the gun.

Thomas said...

I recommend watching the animation in slow motion by just using the scrolll bar.
Bugs' hand is enormous before he grabs the rifle.

M. R Darbyshire said...

Dang! I was going to say none, but it looked like you cut something out of the clip.

Oh, well.

Mike Kevan said...

Hi i did this before viewing the clip just to see what i would come up with, damn i was madly off, how big does his hand get?
awesome animation

Mike Kevan said...

p.s.

I also did that before i read the "no antic needed"... i fail

Elana Pritchard said...

I drew it.

anticipationstudy

Elana Pritchard said...

Oh well, maybe mine exists in an alternate universe.

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Gregg said...

I don't know if it could be done better...

A two frame slight movement from statuesque state, snapped into a smearish,
(LOOK AT THIS) swipe, only to be punctuated by Elmer's final pose....

Classic...

If I were to amplify the anticipation, I would probably snap the hand out towards the audience. One or two frames with the hand covering almost whole screen,
(in a ready to clutch pose).

Niki said...

I suppose that it's the 'lean in' when Bugs slightly tilts forward.

My laptop didn't have the vid loaded and I saw the arm, totally freaked me out.

Christine Gerardi said...

Ah, now I see. Yeah I would have him be all "How," and then snatch it.

Thomas said...

Before Bugs grabs the rifle, his hand is basically proportionate with his foot- in relation to his body.
before the movement his hand is much smalle

Paul B said...

Hey, Those frames are really difficult to copy. Elmer shapes are changing constantly from key to key.
It's also a very stylish drawing, lots of smooth corners, organic shapes. This is from the 50's right?

zoe said...

I tried inbetweening these, but I don't think I did enough drawings. It zips by too fast, and it's on twos.

Gun Grab

Trevor Thompson said...

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- trevor.

Pasquale said...

I think that a one frame antic would really help it. Just to add just a little bit of contrast. It wouldn't even have to be a major antic, just something to lead the eye a little bit.

Also, something seems weirdly jiggly about elmer's feet. They keep changing shape throughout!

Alex Printz said...

I can't see the video, due to quicktime crap, but based on the relaxed looks on bugs in both, I'd say that little anticipation would be needed from him- he's decided to grab the gun without much thought about it- almost natural.

I think that the majority of the anticipation would come down on elmer, most likely that a good part of the anticipation has been built up with him leading up into that key frame, then that face he created would hold for a moment, and maybe just slightly lowering the gun down a bit from disbelief & confusion- then bugs just reaches out, and pulls it back like it was nothing and he's done it 100 times to other hunters the same way.

Tim said...

The purpose of an anticipation to to insure that the audience reads the action. You don't want them to miss something important. Or to make the impact of an action harder, like the wind up for a pitch, or a slap in the face (a la James Cagney).
In John's example, the comedy is found in suddenness of the grab. Any anticipation would have dulled the effect.
Look for the needs of the shot, not following rules by rote.

There's an opposite example in another Bugs cartoon (I've forgotten the title). Bugs rears back with a baseball bat over a sleeping bulldog. It's a HUGE anticipation that they hold for at least 18 frames. Then, there are no inbetweens to the impact. No smears, no blurs... heck, they even SKIP the impact drawing itself. It cuts straight to a screen full of stars! It's a brilliant choice, much like the one given here.

David Germain said...

One interesting example of anticipation I found was in one of Wile E. Coyote's traps. It was a makeshift springboard that only slammed him into the asphalt. The entire action was only 8 frames long. However, in the first frame Wile E. went backwards, then in the other 7 he went forward into the ground.

I forget which cartoon that comes from, but if you find it you'll see what I mean.

Trevor G. said...

Lol, Bugs is such a dick.

Those are great drawings, I especially like the grab because of the way Elmer coils.

Thanks for the stills its always appreciated.. by someone. lol I'm guessing. I mean. I guess I can't really speak for everyone. I mean. I certainly don't /always/ appreciate it. Since I'm not always around. Oh but if I were!

Anyways, XD really though thanks.

Trevor said...

I really love how Elmer Fudd kind-of recoils at the end because he is scared/surprised.