Sunday, January 17, 2010

Should You Be Looking At This On A Sunday?

Here's the real reason you watch Peter Pan, right?
People ask me sometime, "why do I need construction? Won't that hamper my individuality and style?" I say if you want to do animation that is from difficult and interesting angles, that's why.
The fact that Tinker Bell looks so solid makes her all the more sexy. Of course she is a pretty stock design except for a couple subtleties in her angular eyes and body, but she is very beautifully animated and posed.
and it allows (Marc Davis?) to draw her from any position and do very tricky animation with her.
By the way, look at how well her eyes are handled. Just where the thick and thin lines are, how they wrap around her head from every angle.
Hre's that cutting trick I talked about in the Corny Concerto post. Just before the cut, Tinker looks in the direction of what she wants you to look at.
And what all the kiddies want to look at.

Finally, a girl's butt in a Disney cartoon! I wonder how this got past Walt, who had a fetish for boy's butts? I like the butt dust too.



You gotta be able to draw a head on a down shot to be able to make a head move convincingly in space.



OK, here's what everyone's been waiting for all through the boring opening of the movie.
I'd swear that someone at Disney's knew what people were paying their money for, but only would give it to them in small does. The whole opening of the movie takes forever and is about a bunch of stock bland characters walking around talking to each other and setting up a long depressing situation for kids.
They should have added a lot more Tinker Bell to the movie, since she is obviously the star. They have finally figured that out 60 years later, but it's too late. Now there are way too many rules against giving the audience what it wants.

I know some folks who work on the new Tinker Bell movies and from what I hear she doesn't look like this anymore and they have spayed her. Here's the Jolly Green Giant's wife in her weed burka.
"Pixar and Disney have given Tinker Bell a makeover. She's now wearing a jacket, leggings and knee-high boots. She still has the little white pompoms on her boots that she had on her little shoes. The new Tink first appears in Tinker Bell and the Lost Treasure, an upcoming film that's going straight to DVD and blu-ray. You can find out more about the film on Amazon.com and Disney.com. The release date for Lost Treasure is October 27th.

USA Today reports that Tinker Bell's last DVD adventure sold nearly 3.5 million copies - a very impressive figure. It's about time, then, that Tinker Bell dropped that skimpy leaf-hemmed frock and stepped into something more comfortable - and practical. After all, these days she's more than simply a flying Disney mascot who waves a wand and leaves a trail of golden dust. "Did we cover every race? Are we missing a pixie Aborigine?


But here's the original fun.
http://www.cartoonthrills.org/blog/Dis/53PeterPan/TinkerButt.mov

Peter Pan (2-Disc Platinum Edition)


38 comments:

Annie-Mae said...

"Finally, a girl's butt in a Disney cartoon! I wonder how this got past Walt, who had a fetish for boy's butts? I like the butt dust too."

Oh thank you I'm not the only one who's noticed that. Just about all the cartoon shorts during the 30s have one character get poked in the butt or there are some extreme close ups on a man's butt.

In this one poor Pete gets it's REALLY HARD in the end> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BrDsH0ECHA Not to mention the rest of the cartoon is really morally poor, but I think that's why I like it. XD

Lily H. said...

This, to me, seems like an extremely creepy post. Also, I'm sure I'm not the only one who found Tinkerbell to be annoying as hell.

Red Crayon said...

it's good to know that you're still in the cartoon business and i'm a 23 year old inmature adult who still loves your work since I was about 6 or 7 watching without permission of my parents ren & stimpy cause they thought "it was too gross" hahaha, i'm not going to show them the adult pary cartoons, best wishes to you master K!

a fan from mexico
-Eliel Garrido-

Ebbe said...

Damn Disney, forcing us to look at non-white people!

Raff said...

Don't the Japanese and the Puerto Ricans usually clobber the Americans in this game?

P.S. I like your interpretation of Tink.

JohnK said...

I don't see any non-white people in those pics. Just the same design colored 5 different ways.

JohnK said...

Those are some great drawings in that Japanese cartoon, Raff. Who did it?

Raff said...

Johnk - It's Tatsuyuki Tanaka, that's all I know. The link came from OperationGutterball in the Anime post comments.

Oliver_A said...

Speaking of neat things to look at Sundays, John:

Probably the only German animated film, which is cartoony

How do you like this?

Red Crayon said...

John your work is awesome, nice tinkerbell by the way! I want to be a cartoonist too but I lack at some things to make facial expressions, dimentions or a well proportioned body, do you have some advice to give me or can you recommend me a cartoon book to know how to make a good human body? I'll appreciate your advice.

Eliel Garrido

Niki said...

Tatsuyuki Tanaka did the keys, a friend of mine has an artbook by him(or her?)

nktoons said...

Ha ha I never thought I would read about Disney and little boys butts, guess the truths finally out. BTW the last drawings of the post are great! Beautiful posing and colors, any chance of a strip featuring the character......lots of butt dancing of course lol.

John A said...

Raff- You can always count on the Japanese for the obligitory panty shot. You won't see anything like that, if you see it at all, in American animation that isn't given an R rating.

RooniMan said...

I agree, Peter Pan could of used a little more Tinker Bell.

As for her new look, So very disappointing.

Mykal said...

John: The eyes aren't the only thing well drawn in this post. Far from annoying (per Lily H.), I always found Tink hotter the hell's own fire (God forgive me this Sunday). I also found her profoundly endearing and a true fascinating study in character design. -- Mykal

Jay said...

Good lord, what did they do? Aren't fairies supposed to be these wild remnants of filthy pagan culture, unfettered by civilized taboo and the need for clothing?

Hell, look at the Fantasia centaurs! Mythical boobs were okay at some point, eh?

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Isaac said...

Since this post is about girls in skimpy outfits, I thought I'd share John K's character concepts for The Zodiacs.

seifd said...

I think Raff meant butt shots of women.

Hans Flagon said...

I see the 3d tinkerbell electronic babysitter crap, and she is not the least bit as appealing as she was in Peter Pan. At first I thought it was merely a matter of them not getting the original designs transported to a 3d version terribly well, but no, its the 'tude.

Because a character is in 3d is no reason to give them stock 'tude poses

Little Tink was an innocent in Peter Pan. Jealous, perhaps conniving, but relatively innocent. Look at the modern Tink. All 'tude. All about the bedroom eyes, all about evil plans.

Maybe its like Barbara Edens Pink Jeannie and her evil sister in Blue.

Leeann H said...

John K: the anime there is called Genius Party...

Ack, I hate the copypasta faces they use in 3D animation; the new 3D iteration of T'Bell makes her look very ugly in comparison to those great drawings.

The focus on draughted butts here isn't as pervy as Fred Moore's doodles of topless girls (pretty, but.... yeah....).

Beef Witted Klingon said...

I am beginning to see - more-and-more the value of construction when drawing- It makes a huge difference when trying to recreate stills from old toons. Hopefully this will begin to payoff when creating new ideas and not just copying other folks work.

Rachel the Great said...

Calling Tink's new outfit a weed burka is a bit extreme. I for one appreciate Disney's acknowledgement that little girls (the audience intended for this film--NOT horny guys, mind you) could be influenced negatively by seeing their heroines always displayed in sexy getups. I mean, would I go off on a big adventure in a mini dress? I'll take the leggings and the cape, please! And a battle axe, too, just in case.

JohnK said...

Hi Isaac, those are actually Katie Rice's designs-but after they had been severely toned down by executive indecision.

I think I have posted some of the more lively ones before.

Stephen Worth said...

The scene in the keyhole was animated by Marc Davis. The drawing you have there is by John Lounsbery.

Raff said...

I refuse to let this discussion continue without bringing up Dean Yeagle.

Some of this
Some of this
and some of this.

That's his work-safe stuff, by the way. Google for to see where this is going.

sagelights said...

I really like the ones where her hair is disheveled. It really brings out her anxiety.

David Germain said...

I must concur with you on that whole learning construction thing. When I'm drawing people, sometimes I attempt some difficult angles. But, when that doesn't look right after several tries I cop out and do something from a conventional angle. Even then there are still problems. I guess I need more practice.

Oh, and a big BOOOOOOOOOO-URNS to that new Tinkerbell design. It has about as much sex appeal as a fence post. Although I'm sure the shrewish soccer moms demanded it be that way just for that reason. This is such a stupid stupid world sometimes.

Pete Emslie said...

"It's about time, then, that Tinker Bell dropped that skimpy leaf-hemmed frock and stepped into something more comfortable — and practical. After all, these days she's more than simply a flying Disney mascot who waves a wand and leaves a trail of golden dust."

That above quote from the gal writing the article in USA Today speaks volumes. She's likely a feminist who would rather Tink not appear cute and sexy. As a guy who used to draw Tink quite often for Disney in the past, I also notice how they've messed up her proportions for the bland CG incarnation. Looking at that pic of Tink in what John so aptly calls her "weed burka", it appears that her eyes (if they were open all the way) are not as big and full of life as the superior animation drawings by Marc Davis. Likewise Tink's head to body ratio has altered - she looks at least half a head taller in the CG version, again taking away from her cute cartoony proportions and stretching her out to more bland realism. It's obvious to me that the folks behind this CG impostor are boring people who clearly don't like cartoons (or cute, sexy girly tushies, for that matter).

Kali Fontecchio said...

I love that last drawing by you! I want it on my wall.

Katy Lloyd said...

I grew up a tomboy, but I was never put off by Tinkerbell's original outfit.. she's a FAIRY for goodness sake, she Needs a pretty dress! Since when did fairies need to be Practical, jeez give her a helmet in case she crash-lands.
Where has the mischief gone?

Anyone else think that the new picture of all the fairies seated looks like a tupperware party? How very quaint... are any women/girls actually like this?! Young girls are being force fed such mixed messages. On the one hand you have fairies teaching us to cover up and be good, then we've got Lady Gaga going "come on girls, be proud of your yourselves and your bodies! be strong and do what the hell you want!"

Cristian AvendaƱo said...

I love how all the different fairies have the same face, but different skin colors.

I wouldn't mind seeing a different outfit on Tinkerbell, as long as it's good. The new one isn't. Or perhaps it's just that the character doesn't look right. She looks too realistic... well, not exactly realistic, but it looks like they were trying to get there. Like a Barbie doll or something.

Gad said...

i don't know what every one got against Walt Disney, maybe he was a Tyrannical capitalist scumbag... but actually the films under his supervision where the best of the Disney movies, especially when compared for all the stuff that came out from Disney after his death.
people hate it when i say it, but i am certain you will agree, there is no difference between the beauty and the beast, Aladdin, the little mermaid or the lion king are all the same. at at list the old Disney movies under Walt supervision all had different shorelines... i can watch dumbo again and again, when i couldn't even watch a moment of the princess and the frog!

Raff said...

>> She looks too realistic... well, not exactly realistic, but it looks like they were trying to get there.<<

Aw, say it like it is - she looks like a Desperate Housewife.

O gato said...

I wonder what Tink and the Green Giant's kids will look like!

Cotton Gin said...

"Did we cover every race? Are we missing a pixie Aborigine?"

It's missing the Pixie in a wheelchair

leesa said...

I love your Tink, John.

I especially love the way her little butt is what is leading the way... it's her butt that's doing the flying! Cool!

Too bad Lily doesn't like "creepy posts..."

Waqas Malik said...

"what the audience paid for to see" i'm sure you mean guys because women find tinker bell "over-sexualized." i guess to circumvent the problem would be having a male counterpart, so girls could enjoy it too. personally i think it would more interesting to have a female character that doesn't follow tink's archetype rather a women who can be strong-willed and be sexual when she wants to, not just solely sexual. then again i think this is how tink acted in the movie and helped out peter pan. haven't seen the movie in a while so i might have forgotten.