Thursday, June 17, 2010

Opposing Poses in 2 and 3 different dimensions

If you wanna make your characters seem alive and aware of each other's presence it's good to balance their poses against each other so that they are reacting to each other. Try to have their lines of action vary in strength and direction.

USE NEGATIVE SPACE!
If one character is doing the acting - have the other character reacting to it in a less dynamic but still active pose. It's a good trick to use one character's silhouette to frame the other character. The negative shapes between them should be as pleasing in design as their individual positive shapes.
This gang of Post kids all have slightly different attitudes and lines of action - which makes them seem organic and alive. Many of today's cartoons just line up the characters next to each other each standing straight up and down, like they have been impaled on the artists' compasses. That's instant death.
Here's Owen Fitzgerald using the same tools as Howie Post - only he is using all the planes of a 3 dimensional space. Howie's poses are very appealing and effective but tend to be balanced on a flat plane.
These poses and atitudes are very subtle and I would say sophisticated. The poses not only do the job of making everything clear and readable, they help tell us who the characters are.
This is very intelligent stuff.

Sorry for doing a whole series about the same 2 artists. I know people like to see variety and something different every day. I was gonna make this all one post, but realized it would be huge and too much to take in all at once.

Ub Iwerks
P.S.

Someone posted a comment in an earlier post that I can't find. he wanted to know if Ub Iwerks cartoons were good to study or were they too "sissified". Tut tut. You should not use a hate word like that. Maybe these pictures will answer your question.The Cartoons That Time Forgot - The Ub Iwerks Collection, Vol. 1Cartoons That Time Forgot - The Ub Iwerks Collection, Vol. 2

21 comments:

Roberto Severino said...

"Someone posted a comment in an earlier post that I can't find. he wanted to know if Ub Iwerks cartoons were good too study or were they too "sisified". I have an answer for that, but probably all the PC monitors would blow up again."

Uh oh. Please don't let it become out of control like that post you did about Tangled. I personally love Flip the Frog and a lot of the other Iwerks cartoons I've seen. The pre-code ones seem to be the funnest ones, and those didn't seem like sissyfied cartoons to me.

Don't worry John. I like how you're cranking out so many good posts about these two underrated artists. They deserve more attention these days.

RooniMan said...

A simple rule but so many people don't follow it. It's sad.

Paul B said...

I like this post John, even if they are of the same artist, both have much to say and you're made an excellent analysis of their work. If you had made several post of these "CGI treats" would have been unbearable, but the work of Owen and Harvey is so attractive and interesting that it's not boring at all.

Thanks for the wisdome John!

Kali Fontecchio said...

I can really identify with the girl behind Audrey in that gaggle of girls.

That expression made me laugh for like a minute!

Ian Merch! said...

I love the Howie Post/Owen Fitzgerald stuff. It's all really informative, and a good case of "not everything done the right way is done the same way"

Tony said...

"Sorry for doing a whole series about the same 2 artists. I know people like to see variety and something different..."

I know everyone has ADD these days and needs to see something different all the time but I personally thought it was a cool series of posts. I certainly wouldn't mind seeing more like it in the future

Geneva said...

Hahahaha, Kali's right. That girl is fabulous.

Anyway, like I said, I like it when you do series, especially when they go in-depth, so don't apologize.

I like Ub Iwerks! A lot of the Iwerks Studio MGM-distributed cartoons were up on Netflix instant queue last year, if anyone has a subscription it's worth checking out. Not sure how often they change what's up, though.

patrick sevc said...

I'm lovin' all these classic comic posts! Thanks again!

Steve LeCouilliard said...

Who ever said Ub Iwerks was sissy? Iwerks is hilarious! Check out this Mickey Mouse strip he did: http://disneycomics.free.fr/Mickey/show.php?loc=YM005

I rest my case.

RooniMan said...

Looks like Iwerks is DEFINATELY good for study.

Oliver_A said...

Sorry for doing a whole series about the same 2 artists. I know people like to see variety and something different every day. I was gonna make this all one post, but realized it would be huge and too much to take in all at once.

Your last posts have been very informative, with beautiful artwork to look at. Just do what you feel is important. It would be quite decadent, borderline insane, to criticise you for taking a bit more time to bring highly underrated artists into our conscience.

Someone posted a comment in an earlier post that I can't find. he wanted to know if Ub Iwerks cartoons were good too study or were they too "sisified". I have an answer for that, but probably all the PC monitors would blow up again.

What PC monitors? If they post here, we'll "correct" them. Because it would be a great idea to do a topic about Ub Iwerks.

Please don't water yourself down. We're big guys.

Kelvin said...

Man, these cartoons have some really good variety of line weight which is really tasteful to my eyes!

Martin Juneau said...

It was a great series of posts and that's clearly shows what's wrong with animation and comics these days. Owen and Howie deserve that we written a book about them.

I have hurry to see your point of view about Ub Iwerks. It will be awesome.

drawingtherightway said...

Don't worry these posts have been very interesting! Anytime you post informative information that we can use in our own drawings, its great!

C said...

Gotta love Iwerks. He made some of the dirtiest or downright cruel cartoons ever. Disney would have been very different if he were in charge.

aalong64 said...

Ub Iwerks cartoons are my favourite early 30's cartoons apart from Fleischer. Even if they're not to some people's taste, at least the same thing doesn't happen in every Flip cartoon, unlike in early 30's Mickey.

I was watching the "Vintage Mickey" DVD, and hoping to find one that DIDN'T end up being about him playing the piano. I got to the one where he's stuck on a desert island, feeling safe. "No way he'll be able to play the piano in this one," I thought. Then, lo and behold, a piano washes up on shore! I just turned it off at that point. You can only watch the same thing so many times in a row before it gets boring.

Iwerks cartoons are like a cross between Disney and Fleischer. There's some bizarre surrealism and Flip is generally down on his luck in a big city, like Fleischer, coupled with the art style that made early Disney famous.

I'd love to see some posts about them, John!

kurtwil said...

I had never known who drew most of the Harvey comic art until now. Although I kinda cringed at it when young, being shown how it's constructed/staged, and compared to other work, is helpful in showing me how art really works.

It seems Dot and Audrey are almost identical from neck down, but Dot has a more complex head with cheeks.

Were there ever View Masters made using 2D or 3D setups for these and other Harvey characters?

SparkyMK3 said...

John, i was the one who made the post about Ub Iwerks. I was NOT saying that Ub Iwerk's cartoons as a whole were "sissified"- i was asking if the cartoons he made for DISNEY are safe to study or if they were too "sissified" compared to his later work like Flip the Frog.

Just wanted to clear that up. And thanks if you reply back.

thomas said...

Would also like to see posts on Iwerks and Fleischer!

C said...

If Iwerks worked for the Fleischer studios, they'd probably make a cartoon so terrifying it would induce permanent insomnia.

dan said...

Iwerks' films are so slow paced and boring. The same gags and character designs are recycled over and over. You are likely to see a 1930 or 1931 character design in a 1935 or 36 cartoon. And the personalities are so bland. Flip the Frog and Willie Whopper are the complete opposite of expressive characters like Daffy Duck and Bugs Bunny.