Thats how a real man looks.
And his original name was Marion... Oooooooh, aren't we pretty? Too bad he looked more like George Liquor when he got older, but then don't we all? (except for you JohnK. You'll age into a bespectacled Victor Mature. You're welcome.)
Take a lesson here, gents.
You can have him, Carmine. I prefer a narrower cranium (so you don't get a funnel face) and naturally tapered eyebrows--oh and olive skin. Gimme a Mediterranean or East Asian. I give all others to my friends. Have fun, Carmine!
I don't know how much of a "real man" he was. Apparently John Ford (Commander, USN, wounded by shrapnel in the Battle of Midway) could make John Wayne cry by giving him a hard time about how he never entered the military, not even during WWII. I'm talking really, actually start crying like a bitch.Then I was watching an interview with one of Ford's cinematographers who referred to Wayne as "walking like a sissy". And he wasn't being friendly about it.
His real name was Marion Morrison. He had to be manly to make up for it.
What about Peter Lorre? He has the exotic factor and left Nazi Germany the first chance he had.
No sir. I don't like it.
I think John Ford was able to make everyone cry.The thing about old "pretty boys" or ruggedly handsome stars is that they had distinct features and personalities.These horrible cartoon mannequins are just plain generic - and it's always the same exact design (or lack of).It's like a blanded out combination of Disney rotoscoped princes mixed with filmation and anime (way toned down) - but with a short neanerthal forehead which makes them look like retarded sissies.
What about actors like Geoffrey Rush? Ron Perlman? Steve Buscemi? They have unusual faces and even voices, yet seem to stay busy doing character roles and even the occasional leading man performance.Buy, yeah, I really hate that generic Disney Dude. First time I noticed him I thought they'd lifted him whole cloth from a Berni Wrightson parody strip that he did for Heavy Metal years back. Don't recall that they ever credited Wrightson, though. And for Wrightson it was just a joke. He didn't mean for it to be picked up and used incessantly.
John Wayne was not only very tough, he was also VERY graceful. He moved like a combination stuntman-athlete-ballet dancer-martial artist. He could dance like nobody's business, and sometimes he'd injure his leading ladies accidentally because he forgot not everyone could move like him.That pose in the second picture you posted is actually atypical of him. Wayne's standard post was like Michelangelo's David: relaxed, leaning on one leg, with one arm grasping the other.So he didn't "walk like a sissy," he just walked ultra cool and relaxed as hell.A few years ago they made a crappy Superman comic book that won a ton of awards. One of the "groundbreaking" ideas behind this pile of crap was that a very strong person would be relaxed at all times. But John Wayne was doing that in the films he made with Yakima Cannutt back in the 1930s!Another pic for the collection:http://dallaspenn.com/pics/albums/blacklove/Johnwayne_thumb4.jpg
I agree that the main argument here should be about the bland, generic similarities between the recent crop of Disney animated heroes. The compilation photos provided by C only hammer home that point. (And admittedly, likewise for several of the Disney girls, though there are some very distinct exceptions, in my opinion.)When it comes to live-action inspiration, however, I must confess to a bias on my part in favour of the young actors of yesteryear when compared to the young actors of today. In the Golden Age of Hollywood, young actors had distinct looks, vocal qualities and physical mannerisms. Again, I cite examples such as Gregory Peck, Cary Grant, Jimmy Stewart, as well as the young Duke Wayne pictured here.Today, all the youngish, popular actors seem much the same to me, made worse by the fact that every last one of them seems to want to be a goddam rock star! Nowadays, most of these young actors sport one or two earrings, several tattoos, and the requisite long uncombed hair and several day's worth of face fuzz. Is that really what turns women on these days? Yeesh! About the only guy I like today is the maturely handsome George Clooney, who seems like the natural successor to guys like Clark Gable and Cary Grant: masculine, yet with a wry comedic touch. Why aren't we allowed to have the animated equivalent of that, at least once in awhile?
As he aged his upper eyelids got all puffy. He carried his weight in his brow.I didn't recognize the young him at first. It took a little while.
Another cool thing about John Wayne: he didn't go for white women. Dark Latin beauties only.
Someone should make a documentary on how things have changed. I find limited animation more appealing than the recent crop of Disney characters.
Finally!! Real men!!!!
OMG!! No you did not! :)Why do I feel like a pervert now?Sure, I'll take him Soleil ;)! He looks like an Abercrombie & Fitch model in that first pic. I had no idea he was such a stud!So when are we gonna get a pretty boy in a Spumco cartoon :D . Or am I pushing my luck :p .I hate being shallow like this, I really do....I still say Flynn is different because the Disney animators made him HYPER-CUTE, while they always toned down the sexiness of their princes/heros...
Great example about how real mens suppose to be at the first place. Morris' character Lucky Luke is one of the only one in comics/animation who have the praise of men's man and beat the crap of the Disney features pretty boys.Those mens cited in this post knows how attracted young girls and their audience. Today's ones are pathetic. Modern girls is again worse because they only want popularity for attention. I know some girls have this attitude besides they can manipulated guys. Angelina Jolie is at my opinion the only women who wasn't the narrow modern attention-whilling of today but i don't find to modern mens. The last real men who comes at my mind is Clint Eastwood.
But John Wayne doesn't have Flynn's Jake Gyllenhall eyebrows.
JeffreyJack:"Oooooooh, aren't we pretty?"LOL Good Frank Nelson imitation there!Hey, I know who you're referring to here: John Wayne! [Marion Morrison, 1907-1979--those Coens have remade True Grit of his, his 1969 first Academy Award winning role!]. According to the Universal Hollywood tram tour official narration [don't know about the Floria counterpart], John Wayne never changed his name legally. Yet he had a female name.:)He's still thuh Duke.Those who now call him a typical Brokeback Mountaineer, and the early 90s country reival had plenty on the charts, put up with your Dukes..rawht now hombres.Though this pony's faithful to a green guy named Gumby with a high pitched voice.Pokey
HemlockMan, Steve Buscemi reminds me of Paul Lynde [even took over Paul's gay rat Templeton on Charlotte's web---in the Dakota Fanning version from 2006.] Still a funny guy.
Well, there was a male cartoon character with manly attributes: Segar/Fleischer's Popeye.When the Fleischers got to SUPERMAN, they tried hard to be "realistic" and had impressive FX, layout and compositions. But are my eyes deceiving me in that they don't see much manly-ness in their animated Superman, which comes off clean and somewhat sterile looking?Far more manliness is in JK's Powered Toast Man, Fire Chief, George Liquor, etc. BTW it's very common for Digital FX artists to clean up an actor's face and body to remove "cosmetic blemishes" (pimples, boogers, unsightly bulges, etc). The result can rob male actors of some of their manly-ness.
Phoebus Soleil?? Really? I guess it does come down to a matter of opinion. Out of the 90s Disney men I'd choose Shang from Mulan (after Aladdin ofcourse). Its so weird that a lot of people are now calling "pretty boy" Wayne a "real man". He looks exactly like modern pretty boys of today, just with more conservative clothing. I don't get it...
I think this guy could make Marrion swallow his own snot:http://www.todotango.com/spanish/gardel/cronicas/images/peliculas_Gardel_Melodia_de_arrabal.jpghttp://2.bp.blogspot.com/_ouEfcDBLPC0/TCfDQLLkVLI/AAAAAAAABKY/QRaVJOjjOS0/s320/gardel.jpghttp://revistaelbuho.blog.com/files/2010/06/CarlosGardel10.jpghttp://www.larepublica.com.uy/publicaciones/101/20030504/images/34f2prontaaaaaaaaaa.gifhttp://www.fotoescuelaadrogue.com.ar/Fotos%20nuevas_%20Enero07/SCANEOS%20PARA%20FERNANDO/FOTOS%20PARA%20EL%20RECUERDO.%20Carlos%20Gardel/1Gardel-New-York-1934.jpghttp://www.mibuenosairesquerido.com/Assets/Personagens/gardel2.gifhttp://www.manueltalens.com/imagenes/gardel.jpg
Anyway, back to old american male heroes, I still preferring Bogart or Mitchum.
Bah, David Duchovny, Hugh Jackman and Gary Oldman are easily dah men together wih these. There's also those who are old unsexy but have these weird atraction due to their voice: Alan Rickman, Anthony Hopkins (growing old pretty bad) and Alan Rickman.Although I'd give anything for another Orson Welles post, John.
I think this guy could make Marrion swallow his own snot:http://www.todotango.com/spanish/gardel/cronicas/images/peliculas_Gardel_Melodia_de_arrabal.jpghttp://2.bp.blogspot.com/_ouEfcDBLPC0/TCfDQLLkVLI/AAAAAAAABKY/QRaVJOjjOS0/s320/gardel.jpghttp://revistaelbuho.blog.com/files/2010/06/CarlosGardel10.jpghttp://www.larepublica.com.uy/publicaciones/101/20030504/images/34f2prontaaaaaaaaaa.gifhttp://www.fotoescuelaadrogue.com.ar/Fotos%20nuevas_%20Enero07/SCANEOS%20PARA%20FERNANDO/FOTOS%20PARA%20EL%20RECUERDO.%20Carlos%20Gardel/1Gardel-New-York-1934.jpghttp://www.mibuenosairesquerido.com/Assets/Personagens/gardel2.gifhttp://www.manueltalens.com/imagenes/gardel.jpg(sorry John, somehow the links weren't working; I'll delete the other coment above)
I think the board is calling the young Wayne a "real man" due to his imperfections, Carmine. The nose comes from the father and I would not want to curse a daughter with Wayne's wide (for Caucasian) crooked and bulbous nose. A girl can't just think of herself. As my best friend's mom said to one of her early suitors. "You are wonderful, but think of the ( future) children!"I don't really date, so the "what do real women want" issue does not apply to me. However, I am a mangaka, so I gather muses for character designs. So, if I am designing a guy to match up with one of gorgeous female characters, I try to do her justice by designing a comparably beautiful guy--but opposite of her in design. For example Nami is a raven-haired Eurasian and Giermo is an dark olive skinned blonde of Portuguese, German and indigenous Brazilian decent. John would argue that Giermo looks like the typical 90's Disney hero (my Disney character design teacher took pause when I showed Giermo to her and when Hunchback came out a few months, I understood why--jinx)However, I have other characters who are different shapes and builds who are just as eye catching. I always a get an annoying crowd of panting female onlookers whenever I draw my male characters in coffee shops, so I must be doing something right.Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and Disney is just going for a universally appealing look. I don't fault them for it. If people want to see something different, then they should create their own properties. Are we artists or not?
I don't know, his nose looks good to me. Pretty-boy Wayne is studly as hell, but I still can't get into "Real-Man" Wayne...How about Brad Pitt as a modern-day "real man"? Now that he's a little older, he's a little rough around the edges, but still drop-dead gorgeous. Eh, eh?But its good for everyone to look for beauty in people of all shapes, sizes and ages.
I agreee, Carmine, Brad Pitt is morphing into a terrific character actor as he gets rougher looking.In the original script for "Inglorious Basterds" there's a scene where one guy starts crying as says to Brad Pitt "Not exactly John Wayne, am I?" And Brad replies, "John Wayne's a pampered movie star. He's a sissy."That line was cut out because in 1942 John Wayne wasn't a significant star and didn't have a tough guy reputation yet.
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