Friday, May 25, 2012

Get Toonboom's Animate Program cheap today


Hey if you want to get a good animation program cheap I just saw that "Animate" is on sale today.) They aren't paying me to advertise, I just get emails from them every time they have a sale.

I switched from Harmony to "Animate" because it's not only way cheaper, but it's easier to use. Well "easier" is relative; it still has some screwy tools and menus - like "copy and paste" doesn't work the way it does in every other program on earth.

But I've been showing Uncle Eddie how to use it and he is all excited about how quickly you can animate something and see it played back with beautiful lines and stuff. It is definitely a lot more artist friendly than Goddamn Flash.

I may be doing a workshop soon for people who would like to learn how to cleanup, lay out, animate or assist in my style, using "Animate". I'll tell you about it as soon as I work out the details with Taafi.
Toon Boom Animation: Toon Boom Animate Professional Animation Software

There's the link above.

47 comments:

kurtwil said...

So glad you have switched to ToonBoom, JK - I sincerely hope Toon Boom uses your suggestions for its improvement!
FLASH was a drawing program but under Adobe morphed into a web programing environment.
What do you find inhibiting about Harmony .vs. Animate?

JohnK said...

Harmony takes way more steps to do even the most simple things:

It doesn't let you save or save as.

You have to get "permission" to do all kinds of things and you don't know who to get permission from.

You have to use the horrible "network" mode which is some kind or crazy flow chart that doesn't even work have the time.

Harmony seems to be designed for production managers rather than for animators. It's designed to stop the animators from trying out creative things.

I bet they are working on a way to stop you from drawing off-model.

Plus it's crazy expensive so you can't use freelancers.

JohnK said...

half the time I mean

David Bernal said...

Thanks John.
I am curious if you have tried TVPaint? If so, what do you think about it?
http://www.tvpaint.com

Sean Wickett said...

so yer gonna be at TAAFI? consider yourself stalked!

well, in good way, not the creepy way.

thedaemon, Brandon Ayers said...

They have it on sale almost every week. I get so many emails from them saying it's on sale yet again. So if you can't buy it now, just subscribe to their newsletter and it will be sure to be cheap again soon.

Will Finn said...

i'll take that class please!

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Steve said...

Well I feel a bit slow, since I'm not sure if my comment went through. Had to reload the page to sync accounts.

Anyway, sorry if this repeats since the statement only needs to be put forth once.

Dear JohnK. I'm not sure of an easier way to contact you seeing you seem to lack a twitter and or email. However I was wondering if you'd be interested in a 20 minute interview on our Radio/Podcast.

If you'd like to hear more details, or maybe it might be of some interest if you aren't to busy. You can drop me a line at Fayroe(AT)Xanacreations(Dot)Com.

I've enjoyed your work since I was a young lad. From the art style to just the rouge humor sometimes used. Would love to hear from you.

Steven M. Wann
XBN Co-Producer

Peggy said...

Man, I wish they'd had this sale going when I bought Studio a while back. That's about as much as I paid for Studio!

How much time did it take you to get used to Animate anyway? I haven't had an animation idea compelling enough to make me plow through all Studio's tutorials.

Mark Kilkelly said...

It's an excellent program to use. Personally I prefer to work with TV Paint but I can imagine myself working with Toon Boom in the future anyway, so thanks for the share, John.

Harmke said...

Flash is to make "flashy" websites, motion graphics, applications and stuff.
ToonBoom Animate is like it says to ANIMATE <3
Great you are using Animate now John. I've replied on your email couple of weeks ago...

Carmine said...

Hi John

Just wondering what frame rate you animate on, 24fps or 30fps? Does "Animate" allow you to change to different frame rates and stuff? Thanks :) .

Andrés Sanhueza said...

Wouldn't be better to acquire Animate Pro or there's no much difference?

JohnK said...

Pro is a lot more expensive and Animate does pretty much everything I want

and more people have it which makes it more capable to use good cartoonists from all over

JohnK said...

I use 24fps but yes Animate can do any frame frame rate

Nate said...

Just bought it, have looked to purchase many times, so glad it's cheaper!

Vid said...

NO ONE ACTUALLY BUYS ANIMATION SOFTWARE. THE REASON ITS SO EXPENSIVE IS BECAUSE THEY EXPECT YOU TO PIRATE IT IF YOU ARE NOT PART OF A BIG COMPANY THAT HAS TO STOCK IT ON 400 COMPUTERS.

Sandra Rivas said...

Based on experience, ToonBoom Animate is worth the money.

Of course there could be a couple changes in the settings, but other than that it's excellent for animating.

David Bernal: I've experimented with TVPaint before (the trail version). It can bring great results but it's so complicated to use.

You have to make your own toolbar to get the exact type of brush or pencil you want and make your own eraser since the eraser tool is crap.

There are too many settings and everything is disorganized. It's easy to confuse yourself and it gets frustrating.

The good thing about it is the "light tabel panel".

But it's not worth 700 dollars.

Toon Boom is a lot easier.

GuyCx said...

Oh yeah, a workshop on Toon Boom Animate would be much appreciated, John!

By the way, are you coming to the Anima Mundi festival in Rio de Janeiro this year? I heard you've been invited.

Scrabbit said...

you have a style? :P

Scrabbit said...

you have your own style? :P

Roberto Severino said...

Would you recommend Toonboom for someone who's never animated before but has already developed strong drawing skills and animation fundamentals through self-studying (specifically me)? 350 bucks is really cheap for any animation program and a helluva lot less expensive than Flash of course!

kurtwil said...

Thanks for comments, JK. You probably know this already but Harmony was a nodal networked system with an administrator to monitor how many cels, scans and drawings its other networked users made, hence the "network" node. Disney Australia was a first adopter and used Harmony to its end (Cinderella III was their last show).

As Harmony Stage's their first try at a solo version of Harmony, no doubt Toon Boom will appreciate comments and suggestions!

Given Harmony's Morph and deformer tools, an ambitious administrator _might_ be able to redraw everything the Harmony artists create, but a Case-O-Anacin headache would be the likely reward!

Juz Capes said...

John, do you actually use the rigging stuff? Or do you tend to use 'traditional' techniques in the package?

JohnK said...

Juz: I don't use Rigging. I draw most of the stuff. Once in ahile I use keyframing - but it's hard to figure out the logic of how it works.

Roberto: Yes I recommend it, but you should probably find someone to get you started, because the tools are baffling at first. Even basic tools like "select" make no sense until you figure out how to trick the program into doing it like every other program.

Guy: Not this year, but maybe next. I'll be in Toronto in July for TAAFI though.

Elana Pritchard said...

Don't pirate programs, its wrong.

James N. said...

Hey John, I use Toonboom Animate Pro for all my animation work. I absolutely love it. And yes, much more animator friendly then Flash.

James N. said...

Once in ahile I use keyframing - but it's hard to figure out the logic of how it works.

I do most of my work using pegs and keyframes(ie the "cutout" method) so let me know if you ever need help with it. The rigging tools are powerful and it's easy to use once you figure it out.

I know cutout animation isn't your thing but you can use a combination of both cutout and hand-drawn to great effect and it can save time if you utilize it correctly.

DarkRoar said...

There's a stand-alone (non-network) version of Harmony that works pretty much the same as animate - you don't need to set up a database or special permissions or stuff.

However, if Animate has everything you need there's no need to get Pro or Harmony stand alone.

The difference from my experience is basically adding more features each step. Pro adds more effects to use and a sort of neat network view of how things interact. Harmony adds deformers (you can bend drawings), 3D object imports, and a particle effects engine (rain, grass, etc).

Like every program they take some time to get used to and learn what you can do with them.

JohnK said...

That doesn't sound like it's worth 10 times the price.

And that network view is horrible beyond words.

Archie said...

A workshop would be amazing John. Keep us updated. :)

kurtwil said...

If you draw everything, a software key frame tells the computer what drawings to use, how many frames to "hold" your drawings for, or what position the camera will be wrt your drawings. Like traditional animation, keyframes are spread out over time.

If you want computer-assisted "tweening" __between__ those keys, it's now time for rigging (3D), morphing (2D), and learning transitions like "linear", "easy ease", "bezier", "Quadrilinear", "Bernstein-Bezier" and others. Artists will echo Beany and Cecil's "WHAT DA HECK?" many times, but those mathematical methods of controlling transition or motion tell the computer how to "tween" what you draw.

Toon Boom has tried __very__ hard to make computer "tweening" useful, but tweening's a rapidly evolving toolset written by programmers who understand and shape __code__, not drawings. It can result in the awful inverse shape rigidity JK has justifiably razzed, or additional fluidity.

If you're not happy with software, tell its maker what works and what doesn't. Some, like Toon Boom, will listen.

If all you want to do is draw everything, avoid high end software! Toon Boom Studio or Animate will do just fine!

Zoran Taylor said...

"I may be doing a workshop soon for people who would like to learn how to cleanup, lay out, animate or assist in my style, using "Animate". I'll tell you about it as soon as I work out the details with Taafi"

Name of TAAFI panel: "Is There Such A Thing As A Style?"

Not trying to start an argument or anything, but c'mon....that was kind of funny....

PS: I'll be there!

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Elana Pritchard said...

The network view is a prereq, then it isn't. Animate is great for freelancers to network all over the world, but I bet one of the things that made traditional studios great is having a bunch of creative people in the same room to learn from each other. Termite terrace was made of wood, I imagine.
I still bought the damn program, obviously.

The Grey Pawn said...

Bring on the tutorials please!

JK Riki said...

I would love to see such a workshop. As you said, the program is supremely better than Flash but still has some very odd quirks. Since there's no good set of tutorials online (the company ones are like reading a ReadMe file on the program) it would be super helpful to have an animator to walk you through it.

Thanks, can't wait to hear more about it!

fabiopower said...

I want to be in the workshop

kurtwil said...

wrt Zoran's comment, I too would like to participate in your workshop if it ends up being an on-line sort of thing. A lot of what you teach wrt Animate should be translatable to Harmony.

tropt said...

Workshop?
Count me in

tropt said...

Workshop?
Count me in.

David Nethery said...

Sandra Rivas , you wrote this about TVPaint:

"It can bring great results but it's so complicated to use.

You have to make your own toolbar to get the exact type of brush or pencil you want and make your own eraser since the eraser tool is crap."



But Sandra, the truth is that ALL of these digital animation programs , whether ToonBoom or TVPaint, etc., are complicated and hard to use at first , until you work with it enough to figure out the workflow. I disagree that TVPaint is any more complicated than ToonBoom. It all depends on what you're used to. To be fair, I've heard the same comment -- "it's too complicated " -- from people talking about ToonBoom.

What you see as a disadvantage: i.e. "You have to make your own toolbar to get the exact type of brush or pencil you want " is to me the great advantage of TVPaint . I love that I can customize my own TVPaint toolbars with my own preferred brushes and pencil tools.

I don't understand what you mean by "the eraser tool is crap" ? How so ? There are at least three different default eraser tools in TVPaint (standard erase-all eraser, and two different "kneaded" eraser settings for doing partial "rub down" erasures (equivalent to a real life grey "kneaded" eraser) . And the default eraser tip on the Wacom pen stylus coudn't be simpler: you just turn the Wacom pen over to the eraser tip end and erase. How is that complicated ?

Look, I think everyone should use the tools they prefer : if ToonBoom is your preference and gets the job done for you then use ToonBoom and be happy. It's all about the end result on screen. But it doesn't help anyone to run down a great animaton program like TVPaint with misinformation like "the eraser tool is crap" or "you have to customize your own tool bars" (like that's a bad thing) , when such customization is an intentional part of TVPaint's design . Those of us who prefer to make our own custom drawing tools appreciate that about TVPaint. That's not a bad thing, it's an artist-friendly feature. I like that the line I draw in TVPaint is MY LINE , not a vector program's re-interpretation of my line.

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Erik Butter said...

Hey John,

Are you attending the London animattion festifal(LIAF)this year as well? That would be awesome!

Williaint said...

What if I already have Animate, and Animate PRO?

The Avg Stoner said...

Hi John, I started to use Toon Boom but what's even cheaper is Anime Studio. Here's a cartoon I just started producing in it and I paid $30 for the software. Cheers!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ps8MSrjFpmE&list=PL013AB67FACCED807&feature=plpp_play_all