Sunday, October 21, 2012

The Rotating Tool irritation

I love using Toonboom Animate but it does have some mysterious irritations, like the rotating tool:

Irritation 1: There is no key command for it. You have to constantly interrupt your drawing by going to the toolbar and dragging out a menu and dropping down to get the damn tool

Irritation 2: It puts an image of an animation disk on top of the drawing so you can't see what you are doing when you rotate the screen. Incredible!


an animation disk (a real one) is designed so that you can rotate your drawings easily to draw lines that are hard to draw from certain angles. It's a great idea.

It's also a great idea to include rotation tools in any drawing program but Toonboom's is completely awkward because it takes too many steps and obscures the drawing you are working on.


They ought to just have a key command - like "R" that you can hold down with one hand

while you rotate the screen with your stylus.

That would be too easy though! 

Maybe I'm missing something though. Does somebody know of a secret key to rotate the canvas? And that doesn't put an image in front of your drawing while you try to turn it?

Next Toonboom irritation: The select tool It also doesn't have a key command! Which is nigh incredible to me.

Seriously though, it's a great program and I am just making some common sense suggestions to make it easier and quicker to use. - and more intuitive.

...I'm also amazed that the cintiq itself doesn't have a simple rotating screen.

63 comments:

Krystian said...

That's weird, my cintiq has a rotating screen, and it's not a new one. It can rotate 360!

Like in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oE2APo_EORQ

Priscilla said...

I work with Toon Boom Harmony, not animate, so maybe there's a difference... but the shortcut for the rotate tool is CTRL+Alt. If you hold them down it works over here (working on pc, not mac)

Julián Höek said...

Hi John,

there's a shortcut for the rotation disk.
Ctrl+ alt (command+alt for mac i guess)

For the select tool Alt+s should work

And also, you can set those things going to edit/preferences/shortcuts and i think those two should be in the drawing tab if you what to change the to an easier one.

Hope that helps!

Julián

Thiago Levy said...

I use a pc, the comand for it is (ctrl+alt). I belive on a mac is (comand+alt). To reset the screen is (ctrl+m) and i hate that! The letter "m" is one million miles away from "ctrl". I have stop drawing and travel all the way where "m" is. Oh yeah the red disk!

Duvel said...

My cintiq has a rotate button, but I have the latest model. Maybe it's not on the older ones.

Otherwise, in most software you can custom apply shortcuts to functions. I don't have toonboom, but it's usually under either 'preferences' or 'keyboard shortcuts'.

That red outline disk does look annoying though.

How's 'Cans without Labels' coming along?

Amanda Gil said...

I totally agree with the lack of a rotation button in the cintiq, but (at least in MY ToonBoom) I can rotate pressing Ctrl+Alt, close to the shortcuts for zooming in and out ; )

R Silva said...

opt+cmd or ctrl+alt and drag the mouse, no?

Amanda Gil said...

Also, for selecting, you can keep Crtl pressed, select and then release to go back to brush.

R Silva said...

about the rest:

selection tool - hold 'v' or to make it permanent alt+'v'

and the latest 24HD Cintiq has a 'rotative screen'

Peggy said...

If you make your own custom key assignments you can assign some to disc spinning. When I started fooling with Toon Boom, I found myself very quickly making my own custom keymap that was a hybrid of Illustrator, Toon Boom, and - of all things - Deluxe Paint.

victor said...

Hi John, the hot key for rotation table in toon-boom is [alt+ctrl] for windows. I assume it is something similar to mac.

Doug said...

Not sure about your version of toonboom but in mine it's ctrl,shift and z to rotate the canvas. And when you let go of the shortcut buttons the disk should disappear. Think you can remap them to something easier than that combination. Oh and the select shortcut is the ! key. Weird I know!

Doug said...

Thimk its ctrl,alt and z to rotate the canvas. And ! key to select. Think you can remap them to something alse if you like.

Erik Butter said...

There is a key command for it John.
its ctrl+Alt and move your wacom pen to rotate. At least it works in animate pro 2. But i can understand thats anoying.

Erik Butter said...

The image of the animation disc dissapears when you release the key command. Its still stupid that they show the disc though. I only don't know the key command for resetting the rotation back to normal.

Hope that helps

Marty Walker said...

If you hold down Ctrl-Alt on Windows or Command-Alt on a Mac it'll pop up temporarily and go away when you let go.

Marty Walker said...

If you hold down Ctrl-Alt on Windows or Command-Alt on Mac it'll pop up temporarily and go away when you let go.

David de Rooij said...

Hi John,

On my windows keyboard it's the Alt Gr button right to the spacebar. I guess on an Apple keyboard it could be the "option"-button on the right of the spacebar! Give that a try! Otherwise maybe the command button right to the spacebar!

Taranto said...

In Toon Boom Studio you can create your own keyboard shortcuts. To assign
your own keyboard shortcuts, select Preferences > Shortcuts from the Edit
menu (Windows) or the Toon Boom Studio menu (Mac OS X).

from their manual-

also hit "8" multiple times to cycle the rotate tools

http://www.toonboom.com/pdf/product/tbs/TBS-V4.5_Keyboard_Shortcuts.pdf

Taranto said...

http://www.toonboom.com/pdf/product/tbs/TBS-V4.5_Keyboard_Shortcuts.pdf

In Toon Boom Studio you can create your own keyboard shortcuts. To assign
your own keyboard shortcuts, select Preferences > Shortcuts from the Edit
menu (Windows) or the Toon Boom Studio menu (Mac OS X).

also hit number 8 to cycle rotate tools

Facundo Ezequiel said...

The combination on pc for rotation is control+alt and then you click and drag to rotate, on mac I guess it would be command+option(? is that right), etc. I'm not a mac user, sorry.

Graham said...

These are the shortcuts for Animate Pro, I haven't used Animate but they may be transferable.
[These shortcuts are for PC]
Shortcut for select is Alt + S
To rotate hold Ctrl + Alt plus left mouse button to rotate - let go of ctrl and alt when you have the angle you want and the drawing disc overlay will disappear. To reset the drawing view press Shift + M.

Graham said...

These are the shortcuts for Animate Pro, I haven't used Animate but they may be transferable.
[These shortcuts are for PC]
Shortcut for select is Alt + S
To rotate hold Ctrl + Alt plus left mouse button to rotate - let go of ctrl and alt when you have the angle you want and the drawing disc overlay will disappear. To reset the drawing view press Shift + M.

xavierd said...

Hey John

You can use the rotate tool by holding Ctrl+Alt-

You can also use the select tool (as a lasso) by holding Ctrl- But the default shortcut is Alt+V- You can change this in preferences under shortcuts>drawing mode.

There is also a blank spot to put a shortcut for the rotate tool if you like.


Hope this helps!

xavierd said...

Hey John

You can use the rotate tool by holding Ctrl+Alt-

You can also use the select tool (as a lasso) by holding Ctrl- But the default shortcut is Alt+V- You can change this in preferences under shortcuts>drawing mode.

There is also a blank spot to put a shortcut for the rotate tool if you like.


Hope this helps!

xavierd said...

Hey John

You can use the rotate tool by holding Ctrl+Alt-

You can also use the select tool (as a lasso) by holding Ctrl-
But the default shortcut is Alt+V- You can change this in preferences under shortcuts>drawing mode. There is also a blank spot to put a shortcut for the rotate tool if you'd like.


Hope this helps!

David Bernal said...

I have the exact same frustration...hoping toonboom is hearing :)

Keegan McFly said...

Us creative folk are always at the mercy of the inconvenient programs provided to us by those of which whom are most likely not creative themselves.

Maybe they should get an animator on staff to tell them what works and what doesn't. But of course that would be too difficult, customer satisfaction doesn't matter.

Flash and Toonboom are still alright tools, but yeah, they could definitely be improved by common sense.

Paul B said...

HI John!
I think in MAC the key is "Cmd + Alt"

In PC is "Alt + Ctrl"

Paul B said...

You get the selection tool by simply oholding the "Cmd" key with any tool that you are using.

Benjamin Arcand said...

hold "Alt+CTRL" (on PC) and rotate with your stylus.... "Shift+X" to reset the rotation to normal.

Benjamin Arcand said...

Oh ... and "alt+S" for the select tool (if your shortcuts are set to "toon boom animate" in the preferences).

You can also remove the two screws behind your cintiq to be able to rotate it.

Andrew Han said...

does "c" and "v" rotate the canvas?

Gregg said...

I believe you can set up a button on your cinntiq as a hotkey.

Marcel L. said...

Hey John, Try pressing CMD then ALT for the rotate tool.

Hornybee said...

Hey John,


I found the shortcut by accident, you can either press Alt Gr or Ctrl and Alt together... well that's what I use anyhoo

James

Daniel Víquez said...

John, you can press and hold ctrl+alt and drag your pen to use this tool. I think is faster than drag the tool from the tool bar

Williaint said...

I've had similar problems. I've tried changing the keysets, and that's about the best I can do

Leo Loikkanen said...

Actually, on Toon Boom Studio (Mac version) the key command to use the rotation tool is Control-CMD. Holding those down will allow you to rotate the painting. Does that work on Toon Boom Animate too?

Leo Loikkanen said...

On Toon Boom Studio, the key combination to use the rotation tool is Ctrl-cmd (found on the left hand side of the keyboard). Holding those buttons down will activate the rotation tool. Does it work on Toon Boom Animate as well?

James T. Nethery said...

Not sure about Animate but in Animate Pro at the rotate hotkey is "option+command" which I actually found by accident. Give it a shot, maybe it'll work.

James T. Nethery said...

Not sure about Animate but in Animate Pro the rotate hotkey is "option+command" which I actually found by accident. Give it a shot, maybe it'll work in Animate.

sunfox33mb said...

Hey John - on a PC the hotkeys for Rotation is "Ctrl + Alt" on the Mac I would assume its "Cmd + Option" but I don't have Toonboom installed on the Mac to doublecheck that.

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bahij jaroudi said...

I usually press ctrl and alt then rotate with the wacom pen .. to go back to the initial position the shortcut is shift X

bahij jaroudi said...

I usually press ctrl and alt then rotate with the wacom pen .. to go back to the initial position the shortcut is shift X

Nicholas said...

Can you just hold down command and alt together to rotate? or control and alt?

Is the select tool still alt and v?

You might also be able to change these preferences (top menu- Animate Pro- Preferences)or map the shortcuts to a button on the Cintiq.

mrfusion said...

I've got Toon Boom Studio 5.0 and use the "V" and "C" keys to rotate. Not sure if that's available in the version you're using....

Ian Bobinac said...

On a mac, holding down the option key + command key is the shortcut for the rotation tool. I think it's Ctrl + Alt for PC.

Ian Bobinac said...

Oh yeah, and Alt+S for the select tool.

Ray S said...

Hey John, I started using ArtRage (which is just around $30) and it has an “R” key for rotate. I love this program and can’t believe I passed it up all these years. I’m an avid user of Photoshop, Painter, Sketchbook Pro, Flash, and ToonBoom too. I actually stop using ToonBoom over Flash which I feel does a few things better... But if you haven’t checked out ArtRage, give it a try. It’s great for just painting on the wacom or sketching stuff up. Fun interface too. And for the price it can’t be beat.

Carmine said...

Hey John, the key command is option+command (apple key). And if you want to reset the rotation it's shift X.

I love the rotation tool, it really makes drawing more naturalistic. I wish illustrator and photoshop would make one.

Carmine said...

Oh, but I don't know any way to get rid of the animation disc image.

BTW, in the preferences they have some shortcuts listed, but it seems incomplete as I couldn't find the rotation key command there. You could probably find any key command info w/ google searches or on the animate message boards. That's how I originally found the rotation key command cause I had the same exact thoughts as you, and figured there HAD to be a key command, and there was.

G. Herriman said...

Sure hope ToonBoom listens to you. The kind of detail you provided in your post could really help them improve.

In terms of submitting samples for your consideration, is ToonBoom Animate the only acceptable program? I got ToonBoom Studio some time ago to get my feet wet. Later a ToonBoom rep told me that Studio files aren't compatible with Animate.

Shotgun_Mario said...

option-command (on a mac) is the temp-keyboard shortcut for the rotary tool on a mac. I'm sure windows uses that as well.

Shotgun_Mario said...

option-command (on a mac) is the temp-keyboard shortcut for the rotary tool on a mac. I'm sure windows uses that as well.

Harmke said...

The 1st problem is solved when you set a short key for it yourselve. I've put it at cmd+space (apple) or ctrl+space (win).

Kenneth F. Bosch said...

I'm trying TBA Pro learning edition, I use a Pc, not a Mac. The rotation tool appears when I push Ctrl+Alt.

Yoni Goodman said...

Ctrl-Alt is the shortcut

Thiago Levy said...

Ctrl M

Jaco van der Sterren said...

You can set it the rotate view preference to a single key on the keyboard in Animate 2 ( But not in Animate , i believe !! )

Goto: preferences/shortcuts/general

Click on: Rotate View CCW or CW to highlight/select

Next click in the clear box next to Clear/Default , screen right and press your chosen short cut key.

Press OK before you exit ( Won`t work otherwise )

I usually have Z+X as my zoom in and out , and rotate views set to C+V , that way I never have to move my left hand for most used commands like Ctrl-S , Ctrl-Z , zoom in & out and the drawing view rotates.

Ben said...

I've seen people use Griffin's PowerMate controller to rotate the screen while working. Might be something worth looking into

Ole Christian Løken said...

Tvpaint has this feature and its really easy to use, though it is a pixel based program.