tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post114420934537692657..comments2008-02-29T14:32:39.662-08:00Comments on all kinds of stuff: Design 2- Style - Chuck Jones' Scaredy CatJohnKhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14033480276168015590noreply@blogger.comBlogger104125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-1144468866629757312006-04-07T21:01:00.000-07:002006-04-07T21:01:00.000-07:00I don't want to sound like a parrot, but I mention...I don't want to sound like a parrot, but I mentioned in Thad's blog that, while Friz Freleng wasn't a bad director, he tended to have the most generic since of style among the directors.On a different note, "Scaredy Cat" is the best of the Porky & Sylvester trilogy (although I loved the ending to "Claws for Alarm"). My favorite poses for Sylvester are when he's literally pale, after spending Mr. Semajhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11041057754832253584noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-1144463175732692342006-04-07T19:26:00.000-07:002006-04-07T19:26:00.000-07:00John K. said:"But you can like Friz, it's ok."Than...John K. said:"But you can like Friz, it's ok."Thank you, John K., thank you.:0D I do respect and admire your critiques a great deal, though i don't always agree. I like Clampett AND Friz AND Jones, the way I like Beethoven AND Charlie Parker AND Radiohead, or Filet Mignon AND Lo Mein AND Cheesecake;there all sort of the same but completely different. You can like early Robin Williams & Jim CarreyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-1144428415611313322006-04-07T09:46:00.000-07:002006-04-07T09:46:00.000-07:00John K. said:"I have a theory that I will post soo...John K. said:"I have a theory that I will post soon about certain personality types liking different styles and levels of creativity in cartoons..."That sounds interesting.WILhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01788930682498574983noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-1144418454752401462006-04-07T07:00:00.000-07:002006-04-07T07:00:00.000-07:00You can have the funniest idea in the world and it...You can have the funniest idea in the world and it doesn't matter if you don't know how to pull it off well.And vice versa. Form is important, but I tend to think content is more important. The best Ren and Stimpy's did both really well. And, in my opinion, South Park's form works well with it's content.natenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-1144417501923792612006-04-07T06:45:00.000-07:002006-04-07T06:45:00.000-07:00In my opinion, Clampett did better versions of all...In my opinion, Clampett did better versions of all the characters, not just Sylvester.They seem way more alive and real in his cartoons.But you can like Friz, it's ok.Okay, that clears things up a bit. Sure, Kitty Kornered is an excellent Sylvester cartoon but so is Life With Feathers. John, I can certainly understand your dislike of Friz' work. I'm sure if he were alive right now he'd David Germainhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15242095374521702596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-1144416791484967602006-04-07T06:33:00.000-07:002006-04-07T06:33:00.000-07:00Who cares who created Sylveter? There's always con...Who cares who created Sylveter? There's always controversies about these old guys. Clampett just simply used Sylvester really well. He should have used him more, IMO.jorge garridonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-1144388525447154932006-04-06T22:42:00.000-07:002006-04-06T22:42:00.000-07:00Personally I think creation of ideas often isn't a...Personally I think creation of ideas often isn't as important as execution anyway. You can have the funniest idea in the world and it doesn't matter if you don't know how to pull it off well. It's too bad Clampett left before he could do a Sylvester and Tweety pairing, because remembering his Sylvester from Kitty Kornered, it would have been great.C. A. M. Thompsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06308668968724711903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-1144386203942685102006-04-06T22:03:00.000-07:002006-04-06T22:03:00.000-07:00>> So, Bob I guess told you that he designed...>> So, Bob I guess told you that he designed and created SylvesterI'm just telling you what some of the old guys said, including the guy who drew the first drawing of Sylvester.I drew Ren and Stimpy 9 years before they ever made it to the screen.The Tweety and Sylvester cartoons BTW were based on The Cagey Canary and Birdy and The Beast.It wasn't anything new when Friz did it.No reason to JohnKhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14033480276168015590noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-1144384907880125752006-04-06T21:41:00.000-07:002006-04-06T21:41:00.000-07:00So, Bob I guess told you that he designed and crea...So, Bob I guess told you that he designed and created Sylvester, then did absolutely nothing with the character at all for over a solid year, waiting until his last WB short to use his own creation? (8-0AFTER other layout men and animators and a gag writer/story guy had had their way with Sylvester, not once but twice--but both times directed by Freleng, who should get no credit at al for himl?joe d.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-1144384846628231512006-04-06T21:40:00.000-07:002006-04-06T21:40:00.000-07:00This is what I know:"Birdy and the Beast" Clampett...This is what I know:"Birdy and the Beast" Clampett/W. Foster, animation credited to Tom McKimson, released Aug 19, 1944: Tweety (formerly 'Orson') vs. a dumb, pot-bellied cat, black body with white belly & muzzle, black nose. He does get into some 'Sylvester' situations (chased by bulldog, swallows Tweety who escapes). He is to Sylvester as Egghead is to Elmer."Life with Feathers" Freleng/T. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-1144383395167763352006-04-06T21:16:00.000-07:002006-04-06T21:16:00.000-07:00I've never seen the first Sylvester cartoon. What ...I've never seen the first Sylvester cartoon. What did he look like in that one, I wonder.C. A. M. Thompsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06308668968724711903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-1144382921131888442006-04-06T21:08:00.000-07:002006-04-06T21:08:00.000-07:00The character was created before the cartoons were...The character was created before the cartoons were made. Iam confused,Clampett created Sylvester and Freleng used him in his very first appearance ?P. C. Unfunnynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-1144379460717732862006-04-06T20:11:00.000-07:002006-04-06T20:11:00.000-07:00>Then how do you explain the Sylvester cartoon Lif...>Then how do you explain the Sylvester cartoon Life With Feathers that was released in theatres on March 24, 1945 and was nominated for an Oscar?Ummm...what does that have to do with anything?The character was created before the cartoons were made.JohnKhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14033480276168015590noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-1144377182847555072006-04-06T19:33:00.000-07:002006-04-06T19:33:00.000-07:00"Then how do you explain the Sylvester cartoon Lif..."Then how do you explain the Sylvester cartoon Life With Feathers that was released in theatres on March 24, 1945 and was nominated for an Oscar? That predates Clampett's storyboard for Tweetie Pie by about a year."He got ya there John.P.C. Unfunnynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-1144376913219056292006-04-06T19:28:00.000-07:002006-04-06T19:28:00.000-07:00Actually Clampett created Sylvester and his layout...Actually Clampett created Sylvester and his layout artist, Tom Mckimson designed him.Both Clampett and McKimson told me on separate occasions that they created him as a foil for Tweety and Clampett's unit storyboarded the first collaboration of the 2 characters.Freleng inherited both characters and the storyboard when Clampett left the WB studio in 1946.Then how do you explain the Sylvester David Germainhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15242095374521702596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-1144370277894822362006-04-06T17:37:00.000-07:002006-04-06T17:37:00.000-07:00>>Sylvester is associated with Freleng because Fre...>>Sylvester is associated with Freleng because Freleng CREATED Sylvester.Actually Clampett created Sylvester and his layout artist, Tom Mckimson designed him.Both Clampett and McKimson told me on separate occasions that they created him as a foil for Tweety and Clampett's unit storyboarded the first collaboration of the 2 characters.Freleng inherited both characters and the storyboard when JohnKhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14033480276168015590noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-1144369855509648752006-04-06T17:30:00.000-07:002006-04-06T17:30:00.000-07:00>Incidentally, have you ever >noticed that every o...>Incidentally, have you ever >noticed that every other >director's Sylvester is funnier >and drawn better than Friz'? >That's very odd, considering that >Sylvester is associated mostly >with Freleng.Sylvester is associated with Freleng because Freleng CREATED Sylvester. And I have to say that I love the solo Sylvester cartoons Friz directed (examples are the one where Sylvester fights a mouse John Pannozzihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01533256044605730722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-1144368630587459662006-04-06T17:10:00.000-07:002006-04-06T17:10:00.000-07:00People who aren't talented at drawing have just as...People who aren't talented at drawing have just as many intelligent things to say as people who are talanted do. I don't think it's fair to dismiss what someone has to say just because they aren't talented in the way you think they should be.Regardless, even if I agreed with your theory, I would say that South Park is illustratiing it perfectly. They have talented writing and that's the exact natenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-1144364457844911972006-04-06T16:00:00.000-07:002006-04-06T16:00:00.000-07:00Thad,I thought "Show Biz Bugs" was decent. Daffy's...Thad,I thought "Show Biz Bugs" was decent. Daffy's attempts to upstage bugs were done in fairly humorous fashion,especially the use of classic exploding instrument gag.Daffy was a bit more of a jerk but he was still funny.However,it whould have been funnier if Friz managed to get the Bugs and Daffy rivalry right. I don't know why Friz made Bugs so oblivious to the fact that Daffy hates him. The P.C. Unfunnynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-1144361564322195412006-04-06T15:12:00.000-07:002006-04-06T15:12:00.000-07:00Here's my SHOW BIZ BUGS analysis, John. If you gu...Here's my SHOW BIZ BUGS analysis, John. If you guys want to comment on it, please do so at my site!http://classicanimation.blogspot.com/2006/04/show-biz-bugs-frizs-animators.htmlThad Khttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04443425643665474645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-1144356238434748372006-04-06T13:43:00.000-07:002006-04-06T13:43:00.000-07:00your article is over-graceful and funny, that was ...your article is over-graceful and funny, that was one of my favorite episodes, yet consider was doubed in spanish since i grew in mexico city, and helmer was: helmer 'jota' fud, millionario, dueƱo de una mansion y un barco, hope you get it and your blog damn fabolous, here, enjoyingbereweberhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06695535379009370630noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-1144352624314238342006-04-06T12:43:00.000-07:002006-04-06T12:43:00.000-07:00Whoah! Harsh. Careful, John, or they'll get you ne...Whoah! Harsh. Careful, John, or they'll get you next! I'm going to teh-ell! I'm going to teh-ell!But seriously, though, I think Looney Tunes are like a fancy steak dinner and South Park is like fast food. I'd rather have the steak dinner since it's made so well but sometimes I just feel like fast food. You know? Like I know South Park has crappy animation but I think the satire is razor sharp andP.C. Unfunnynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-1144351743981828322006-04-06T12:29:00.000-07:002006-04-06T12:29:00.000-07:00John, be sure to keep an eye on my animator blog s...John, be sure to keep an eye on my animator blog soon. I'm going to be doing an analysis of a Friz short soon, so you can link to the clips I put up to show what you think is wrong with the way they're done. I'm not going to be very nice in my analysis either.:)And happy birthday, animation! You're the only thing that keeps ME alive!Thad Khttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04443425643665474645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-1144351564582026302006-04-06T12:26:00.000-07:002006-04-06T12:26:00.000-07:00>>>Ala the South Park bent on tearing apart Family...>>>Ala the South Park bent on tearing apart Family Guy today.I don't think South Park is in a position to tear anything apart.I think you should earn the right to satirize by showing the world your own amazing talent and skills first.<<<Whoah! Harsh. Careful, John, or they'll get you next! I'm going to teh-ell! I'm going to teh-ell!But seriously, though, I think Looney Tunes are like a fancy Jorge Garridonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-1144349933710452192006-04-06T11:58:00.000-07:002006-04-06T11:58:00.000-07:00And Joe Barbera a happy 95th! Again.And Joe Barbera a happy 95th! Again.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com