tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post1421684405851119039..comments2008-05-22T18:39:06.915-07:00Comments on John K Stuff: Don Martin - department store 2, The Genius of "Ig...JohnKhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14033480276168015590noreply@blogger.comBlogger33125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-17406533347174526502008-05-22T18:23:00.000-07:002008-05-22T18:23:00.000-07:002008-05-22T18:23:00.000-07:00Personally, I think the funniest thing of all is s...Personally, I think the funniest thing of all is seeing a person who IS genuinely smart and talented and imaginative get fucked over anyway. You can talk all you want about humanity, but when you get right down to it, few things about life are as funny as it's unfairness. Also, I rarely, if ever, laugh at something because it "provides an escape" - I think it's really more of a duality that worksCaptain Napalmhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01257217002413486395noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-14295186914074126932008-04-21T15:45:00.000-07:002008-04-21T15:45:00.000-07:002008-04-21T15:45:00.000-07:00[Bitter Animator said...Is there more to this one?...[Bitter Animator said...Is there more to this one? That's not the end, right?]Yes, there's more. And if my memory serves me well in my advanced years, the sound effect is quite possibly the most appropriate Don Martin ever did.And it will destroy you. Go, John!Great Big Radio Guyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05377628524697677407noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-48702679640959162312008-04-03T13:07:00.000-07:002008-04-03T13:07:00.000-07:002008-04-03T13:07:00.000-07:00Anyone that thinks cartoons should be believeable ...Anyone that thinks cartoons should be believeable should have an anvil dropped on their heads! We have grim reality constantly surrounding us for that,cartoons as you put it should be an escape.Its hard for me to believe there are people who have no sense of humor and cant enjoy true inspired comic lunacy. Nobody watches the Three Stooges and thinks,"thats so unrealistic,Moe would have killed Jim Rockfordhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03086033230534713351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-74658244060467731342008-03-29T12:31:00.000-07:002008-03-29T12:31:00.000-07:002008-03-29T12:31:00.000-07:00Its great seeing new things here...he sure has a i...Its great seeing new things here...he sure has a interesting strange style...I'm British and collect comics here...we had some top cartoonist in comics here...check out Ken Reid he was even stranger than Dr Seus..http://petergraycartoonsandcomics.blogspot.com/search/label/Ken%20ReidWould a kid dare to put these pictures up on the wall...its like its from another world.I can still get Mad comic Peter Grayhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02932925408386855040noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-7807897863657840532008-03-27T15:25:00.000-07:002008-03-27T15:25:00.000-07:002008-03-27T15:25:00.000-07:00Whats the last comedy that has won an oscar.Annie ...Whats the last comedy that has won an oscar.Annie Hall in 1977. Go figure. Before that you have to go all the way back to It Happened One Night in 1934.I think we're skewing the definition John's using a bit. An ignorant character doesn't, necessarily, mean it's ignorant humor. For instance, I'd hardly call the court scene in Duck Soup ignorant comedy even though it is based on Chico's ignorance Sarcastrohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05450567023462306789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-45574489382484407272008-03-27T12:45:00.000-07:002008-03-27T12:45:00.000-07:002008-03-27T12:45:00.000-07:00I definitely fit into this category!Don Martin, Ma...I definitely fit into this category!Don Martin, Mad and the 3 Stooges were my reasons for living as a boy!Pat McMichealhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03722300504672358622noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-60430761890825438482008-03-27T11:24:00.000-07:002008-03-27T11:24:00.000-07:002008-03-27T11:24:00.000-07:00What's good is that you put "Ignorant Humor" in qu...What's good is that you put "Ignorant Humor" in quotes, hinting that it's actually smart and only seems ignorant superficially. "Ignorant" Humor might describe it better. It's hard to say without fingers or over the phone though. "Quoteunquoteignorant Humor"These top humorists are among humanity’s greatest heroes, because they take us away from all the ugly things in life for a few minutes and Raffhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03572774347485509691noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-36131006493133938862008-03-27T11:12:00.000-07:002008-03-27T11:12:00.000-07:002008-03-27T11:12:00.000-07:00Whats the last comedy that has won an oscar. It s...Whats the last comedy that has won an oscar. It seems that comedy is very hard to do right, but the good ones are never rewarded critically.Ryan G.http://www.blogger.com/profile/13765952388770815626noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-15681829581700671522008-03-27T11:00:00.000-07:002008-03-27T11:00:00.000-07:002008-03-27T11:00:00.000-07:00I agree. It's the job of the cartoonist to make t...I agree. It's the job of the cartoonist to make the audience accept the impossible as obvious fact. "See things as they are not." - ZimGolden Aged animation did this with expertise. I'd love to hear your theories about why that was so, John. I don't know too much about early comics, but Golden Age cartoons "created" conventions kinda borrowed from strips? Obviously you had a lot more creativechrisallisonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03685522265059632195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-59523254354544500712008-03-27T10:47:00.000-07:002008-03-27T10:47:00.000-07:002008-03-27T10:47:00.000-07:00Hilarious!Marco M.Hilarious!Marco M.Mellahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17201663098648606145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-80654285359073413862008-03-27T09:18:00.000-07:002008-03-27T09:18:00.000-07:002008-03-27T09:18:00.000-07:00Dear Mr Kricfalusi,first of all I would like to th...Dear Mr Kricfalusi,first of all I would like to thank you for what you have done to the history of animation!My name is Giuseppe Bellina, I'm italian and I'm actually writing a book about Flash animation for the italian market, as we don't have a book about flash animation in Italy. I was wondering if it would be possible to send you some questions for the book. Of course I'll send you the book Giuseppehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11605258570141396185noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-47017847838145716872008-03-27T06:30:00.000-07:002008-03-27T06:30:00.000-07:002008-03-27T06:30:00.000-07:00I guess in real life people don't choose to be stu...I guess in real life people don't choose to be stupid, they just are, but in our frustration we can't help thinking that they choose to be that way, and there's something funny about that. It's nice to have a word that reflects how we feel about things, as opposed to the way they really are.Wow Eddie, it's kinda like ignorance is a cartoony expression all on its own, since it's not really a Ryan Colehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16909659774517887811noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-72001800929999440232008-03-27T03:03:00.000-07:002008-03-27T03:03:00.000-07:002008-03-27T03:03:00.000-07:00I'm pitching ignoramus humor. Hasn't Moe called Cu...I'm pitching ignoramus humor. Hasn't Moe called Curley that? It's perfect.There is a big difference between asinine and brilliantly asinine. They are about 180 degrees apart. Many critics cannot tell the difference. Many critics could not find their own ass with both hands. Rowan Atkinson's BEAN gets panned all the time. The guy's got real chops.I.D.R.C.http://www.blogger.com/profile/08204918752374858278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-70701558478283489742008-03-26T23:41:00.000-07:002008-03-26T23:41:00.000-07:002008-03-26T23:41:00.000-07:00Another thing I would lump in this category would ...Another thing I would lump in this category would be blooper reels and 'America's Funniest Home Videos' type tv programs. They may be a subcategory, 'Accidental Ignorant Humor.'My take on it is that 'Ignorant Humor' is secretly enjoyed by all, but because it has such mass appeal most people feel ashamed to like it publicly. It's 'common' to like the 3 Stooges.I think it's because 'Ignorant Adam Thttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15862869332388893138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-78901845603872115252008-03-26T22:42:00.000-07:002008-03-26T22:42:00.000-07:002008-03-26T22:42:00.000-07:00I love low-brow comedy, and to be honest I was alw...I love low-brow comedy, and to be honest I was always baffled by anyone who couldn't laugh at the Three Stooges. Poking people in the eyes isn't inherently funny, but those guys could really poke a man in the eyes and make it HILARIOUS.I have heard people call it juvenile, but honestly it's no more juvenile than the Marx Brothers, and the fact that both are juvenile is part of why they're so Krishttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16937180031573836295noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-68859573966111404382008-03-26T20:34:00.000-07:002008-03-26T20:34:00.000-07:002008-03-26T20:34:00.000-07:00it´s only ignorant humor, but I like it!!it´s only ignorant humor, but I like it!!ByTitohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11094112927507376600noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-89604161200350521362008-03-26T18:06:00.000-07:002008-03-26T18:06:00.000-07:002008-03-26T18:06:00.000-07:00Isn't most humor ignorant humor? Humor generally r...Isn't most humor ignorant humor? Humor generally relies on a turnaround in expectations (which a lot of drama relies on too, of course). This usually hinges on the observer's ignorance of the facts, tho this is usually in combination with one of the other ignorances below, otherwise things would be in keeping with expectations. 1) People acting in a way not in keeping with good sense is one way Tedhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14783618617749580841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-71552953707214713292008-03-26T17:05:00.000-07:002008-03-26T17:05:00.000-07:002008-03-26T17:05:00.000-07:00>> Is there more to this one? >> That's not the en...>> Is there more to this one? >> That's not the end, right?I'd like to know what happened to that guy in the tuba too. Gee, I hope he ain't dead!DonBhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02083449386232762676noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-84421962978010637982008-03-26T16:32:00.000-07:002008-03-26T16:32:00.000-07:002008-03-26T16:32:00.000-07:00Ooo! teacher, can I be the pedant? Please?I think ...Ooo! teacher, can I be the pedant? Please?I think one reason "ignorant humor" sounds negative is because the adjectival form "ignorant", in modifying "humor," implies that the humor on display is itself stupid. But if you called it "ignorance humor," though, people paying attention to the words would better understand that it is meant to classify a *type* of humor: humor *about* stupidity. I Jayhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04840746051277085419noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-25442197504208367912008-03-26T16:25:00.000-07:002008-03-26T16:25:00.000-07:002008-03-26T16:25:00.000-07:00I think ignorant humor is great because its humor ...I think ignorant humor is great because its humor that ignorant people understand, not like snobby critics. Sometimes stupid things make me laugh like fart noises or chicken faces, I can't explain it but it's funny and to me I guess thats ignorant humor. Sometimes comedians have to explain why their jokes are funny or make some sort of logic to their humor to tell a joke and that's a different Bobhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16681566000917540580noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-20815561706195426672008-03-26T15:01:00.000-07:002008-03-26T15:01:00.000-07:002008-03-26T15:01:00.000-07:00Ignorance is the human condition. Ever notice that...Ignorance is the human condition. Ever notice that once you learn enough about a subject to really appreciate it, you're confronted by the vastness of your own ignorance? What you've managed to digest with your petty pound of wet grey meat won't make a dent in it. You never suspected there was so much to learn. I've come to think it may be the beginning of wisdom.Eddie's a natural idealist. He pappy dhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07634780939188002027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-56917608336728376702008-03-26T14:50:00.000-07:002008-03-26T14:50:00.000-07:002008-03-26T14:50:00.000-07:00You know, Dave, I take issue only with the last se...You know, Dave, I take issue only with the last sentence.The Pythons will be the first to point out that there's never been anyone really trying to do what they did, in essence. Sure, 'Saturday Night Live' and 'Laugh-In' all got called Python rip-offs in the seventies, but it was only because America hadn't seen pure sketch comedy done at all.In fact, Barry Took, who's responsible for 'Flying Booo Tooons Ltd.http://www.blogger.com/profile/08554109671909765241noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-79480101338882218372008-03-26T14:34:00.000-07:002008-03-26T14:34:00.000-07:002008-03-26T14:34:00.000-07:00Aristotle had this figured out in the Poetics over...Aristotle had this figured out in the Poetics over 2000 years ago...Comic heroes have to be of a "lower type", it is the hero's ignorance of common logic, inability to predict sh** from happening, and misunderstanding (or not listening to) others, lack of awareness...these attributes create situations for COMIC MOMENTS. Don Martin knew this quite wellAn interesting example comes from Rowan Rayhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04082146293209220671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-35800876397521471062008-03-26T12:58:00.000-07:002008-03-26T12:58:00.000-07:002008-03-26T12:58:00.000-07:00If “Ignorant Humor” were truly ignorant, then ever...If “Ignorant Humor” were truly ignorant, then everybody could make Tex Avery cartoons, Don Martin comics and 3 Stooges shorts.Some have tried. How many times has anyone here seen some sketch comedy show attempt a three stooges routine? 99.999999% of the time it's pretty awful. Sadly, most people wold attribute that to the Stooges being awful. Nothing could be further from the truth. The David Germainhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15242095374521702596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-25134102384268998822008-03-26T12:42:00.000-07:002008-03-26T12:42:00.000-07:002008-03-26T12:42:00.000-07:00Definately agree about the negative connotations o...Definately agree about the negative connotations of ignorant.MasterKhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03362992961730019930noreply@blogger.com