tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post3214514474714301131..comments2008-03-21T13:17:34.682-07:00JohnKhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14033480276168015590noreply@blogger.comBlogger56125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-13998291933325098132008-03-21T12:17:00.000-07:002008-03-21T12:17:00.000-07:002008-03-21T12:17:00.000-07:00

Roberto González said... "Completely off-topic, I've been watching some more previous clips of that Horton Hears a Who flick and it looks kinda fun and cartoony for something made today in CGI. The voice of Jim Carrey for Horton is totally generic, though, I'd like him to have a voice like the one he has in Clampett's Horton Hatches The Egg,since they are making him more "wacky" and less naive in

Jim Rockfordhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03086033230534713351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-25597524949960592682008-03-21T11:58:00.000-07:002008-03-21T11:58:00.000-07:002008-03-21T11:58:00.000-07:00

WoW!,You're right,the early scenes look incredible,wish they would have kept this style for its entire run.I especially like the Bullwinkle drawings,the odd shapes and crazy eyes. Too bad they ruined the dvd release.Why did they re-voice some of these cartoons? I dont understand the logic behind that.

Jim Rockfordhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03086033230534713351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-47140755602440843202008-03-18T05:36:00.000-07:002008-03-18T05:36:00.000-07:002008-03-18T05:36:00.000-07:00

"And the only voice I know that sounded re-recorded was the narrator."WAIT - you mean to tell me they ditched William Conrad's narraration?!! WHA - ?! His voice was one of the best characteristics of the show!!OMG I cannot believe they did that. Please tell me this is not so.

Rotguthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17032634677452588219noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-55586182338012333412008-03-17T18:22:00.000-07:002008-03-17T18:22:00.000-07:002008-03-17T18:22:00.000-07:00

The music heard on the title card bumpers on that first season DVD set was music made for the third season. Yet the third season DVD set, while it has the correct music for the bumpers, it uses the first season opening sequence! How ironic is that?And the only voice I know that sounded re-recorded was the narrator. Then again, June Foray is still alive and kicking, so she could've rerecorded some

dandecohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18170236103921948032noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-80487865742858342872008-03-13T10:33:00.000-07:002008-03-13T10:33:00.000-07:002008-03-13T10:33:00.000-07:00

Thanks for mentioning Sad Sack, I used to read that comic alot as a kid. The stories were fun (therewas one I kind of remember- one about the 'Mud Monster' that emerged from the swamp after the mess cook dumped one of his toxic meals in it)I'm sorry Harveytoons never tried to animate Sad Sack there was a lot of material there. From what I remember, the panel work was not that great, and I used to

John Ahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15605136528109959794noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-39473195215052277472008-03-13T10:29:00.000-07:002008-03-13T10:29:00.000-07:002008-03-13T10:29:00.000-07:00

Good point, Caduceus, however I'd always thought that these copyrights were current and jealously guarded. That could very well be one of the insane reasons for ruining one's chance to get a real unadulterated copy of such things. The "special features" on this discs could also be a lot beefier, considering there's some neat rare ephemera out there relating to these shows that they didn't put

mindwreckerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01897233109888156649noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-82292705199305445712008-03-13T10:20:00.000-07:002008-03-13T10:20:00.000-07:002008-03-13T10:20:00.000-07:00

I haven't heard or seen these remastered shows, but I do remember that the first few episodes of Rocky & Friends had a laugh track(a really bad one at that) and the voices sounded as if all the actors were together in one room reading the script live, like a radio play. Even Bill Conrad's narration was slightly more subdued, like he was reading for a radio mystery. If these are the episodes that

John Ahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15605136528109959794noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-26565905794575419132008-03-12T21:11:00.000-07:002008-03-12T21:11:00.000-07:002008-03-12T21:11:00.000-07:00

I think they may muck with the cartoons so they can have a copyright on it. If the copyright on something expires but you make your own version (different colors, altered voices and what not) I think you would own the copyright on the new version and could take action against someone who copied it. Anyway, that is my guess.

caduceushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10029619660070707442noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-23598236285828071162008-03-12T17:37:00.000-07:002008-03-12T17:37:00.000-07:002008-03-12T17:37:00.000-07:00

Nice to see this big discussion about early Rocky and Bullwinkle. I also thought that you weren't that interested in these shows, very glad you brought this up. Those "off-model" early shows are a treat, indeed. Actually, the second-season box is very good, too (although nothing compares with the early ones where they were still flailing around), and I never could bring myself to buy a third one.

mindwreckerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01897233109888156649noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-71814112921693503932008-03-12T11:20:00.000-07:002008-03-12T11:20:00.000-07:002008-03-12T11:20:00.000-07:00

Hoppity Hooper and George of the Jungle were the two shows that Harvey Siegle Williams did not direct at Gamma for Jay Ward. I don't know of any show he DIDN'T direct for Total Television... I think he did 'em all, even the last two-The Beagles and Go-Go Gophers. I need to go interview him on camera and upload it for all to see- Harvey is really an unsung hero of the early days of Saturday

Bill Fieldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12811720663765452460noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-49279159362575473492008-03-12T09:02:00.000-07:002008-03-12T09:02:00.000-07:002008-03-12T09:02:00.000-07:00

"The best Jay Ward stuff of all is the bumpers and title animation."That's because those elements were animated in Hollywood by skilled pros. Ward couldn't afford to make the whole R&B show in the U.S.A.

Whithttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07308880186307909986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-8810725270391553822008-03-12T07:19:00.000-07:002008-03-12T07:19:00.000-07:002008-03-12T07:19:00.000-07:00

"The best Jay Ward stuff of all is the bumpers and title animation."Ya know, I noticed that too. The actual episodes never looked as good as the bumpers or intros.

PCUnfunnyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00518171797365794688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-7399335779996895902008-03-12T06:13:00.000-07:002008-03-12T06:13:00.000-07:002008-03-12T06:13:00.000-07:00

Oh and also... John, you've given props to Roger Ramjet and Rocky & Bullwinkle - - so can Underdog be far behind? Some of that stuff is so great! And the bumper cartoons they had - Tennesee Tuxedo, Klondike Kat, King Leonardo, Go Go Gophers and others - those were awesome too!My understanding is that a company called Total Television produced the Underdog Show and the animation was done at "Gamma

Rotguthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17032634677452588219noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-60114524017433099292008-03-12T06:12:00.000-07:002008-03-12T06:12:00.000-07:002008-03-12T06:12:00.000-07:00

Dear Sir, I don't remember Natasha ever being pink, and I watched a lot of Rocky And Bullwinkle. Is that really an image from the show?It wouldn't surprise me if it was, as I didn't exactly have the most color accurate TV.

Mr. Trombleyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06854144365264948518noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-42610461849622391152008-03-12T05:58:00.000-07:002008-03-12T05:58:00.000-07:002008-03-12T05:58:00.000-07:00

Cool!!John, you and I have very similar tastes in animation! I was wondering when you'd get around to the Jay Ward stuff!Yeah, there are certain things you can't bottle or write a prescription for, and here's another example. R&B has a real specific charm to it. Sometimes I think maybe I'm being fond of cartoons like these for nostalgic reasons only but regardless, as an artist/designer, I do

Rotguthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17032634677452588219noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-65655375993555716012008-03-11T22:10:00.000-07:002008-03-11T22:10:00.000-07:002008-03-11T22:10:00.000-07:00

Harvey Siegle-Williams, was responsible for that early work, he lives a block from my Mom here in San Antonio-I try to go see him every month or so, he ran Gamma, and directed most of the Total Television Shows- which Jay hated because everyone thought they were Jay's shows, and that had a lot to do with the self-sabotage. The funny thing was- they were forced to smuggle things INTO Mexico(how

Bill Fieldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12811720663765452460noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-58330318153357298842008-03-11T20:33:00.000-07:002008-03-11T20:33:00.000-07:002008-03-11T20:33:00.000-07:00

o wow john these frames are great. I used to watch this show back when I was a kid late at night or sometimes when i was sick they would appear at random times on cartoon network. I love this show because it has an over the top ridiculous humor that was matched by the goofy drawings and the animation was sudden and fast, which added to the funny appeal. I feel so many shows try to copy the

Bobhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16681566000917540580noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-69093407787605652652008-03-11T18:44:00.000-07:002008-03-11T18:44:00.000-07:002008-03-11T18:44:00.000-07:00

Ever see the two self-financed, unsold Jay Ward pilots done after "George of the Jungle?" They were animated by Benny Washam and produced entirely in America. One featured a hero whose voice was a Gary Cooper sound-alike and the other starred a really big dog. Though written by Bill Scott himself, these unsold pilots are mysteriously not funny at all. The animation and design are some of the best

Whithttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07308880186307909986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-22072859452451392272008-03-11T18:12:00.000-07:002008-03-11T18:12:00.000-07:002008-03-11T18:12:00.000-07:00

The funny thing about Jay Ward cartoons is that they seemed to have both good animation and good design, but rarely both at the same time. These frame grabs are great. I particularly like the Rocky take as Natasha runs out the door. His little squirrel toes are pointing to her exit!The best Jay Ward stuff of all is the bumpers and title animation. The opening to Peabody's Improbable History and

Stephen Worthhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01047366337202801862noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-76090045994582539732008-03-11T17:12:00.000-07:002008-03-11T17:12:00.000-07:002008-03-11T17:12:00.000-07:00

I dunno, these cartoons always struck me as lazy. At least as far as the animation goes. It was such a huge turn off as a kid to see choppy animation like this.And while some of these screens display some fun design, some of them look like a rush job. Which maybe contributed to their charm. Who knows. With some more love put into these shots, it would have made for an excellent storybook.

Car2oonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06665809089409845683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-26630112127678830302008-03-11T16:49:00.000-07:002008-03-11T16:49:00.000-07:002008-03-11T16:49:00.000-07:00

Wow! This is my favorite so far! I've been completely obsessed with Jay Ward productions lately. I don't care if others hate these cartoons. I LOVE 'em! I'm saving the entire post. The pics are gems, imo. :)Thanks John! Much appreciated!

Brianhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13591187057747091197noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-70193358054009856462008-03-11T16:21:00.000-07:002008-03-11T16:21:00.000-07:002008-03-11T16:21:00.000-07:00

Never heard about it, I think it never aired in Europe.I really like the "simple" design. I love Bullwinkle. Im doing some studies of his construction.mitchoo.blogspot.com

Mitch Lhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03748196647137310735noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-22693526828035663282008-03-11T16:11:00.000-07:002008-03-11T16:11:00.000-07:002008-03-11T16:11:00.000-07:00

I may not so crazy about Jay Ward (I'm not against limited animation.), but the thick and thin inking is great (I agree with David on those 'itchy' lines. Those appear to be more like mistakes, rather than for an artistic purpose.). Good design sense in many of the framegrabs. I never knew that most of these were outsourced. So sad...

Robertohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06568334293949939359noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-52428545215988540782008-03-11T14:25:00.000-07:002008-03-11T14:25:00.000-07:002008-03-11T14:25:00.000-07:00

Yeah I'm sorry but a kindergartner could have made those pics. It seems like you are over-exaggerating the importance of these so called "awesome" drawings.Yet they have more fun per square inch than the next 10 things you will see in current production.

I.D.R.C.http://www.blogger.com/profile/08204918752374858278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-12770632977541389352008-03-11T14:14:00.000-07:002008-03-11T14:14:00.000-07:002008-03-11T14:14:00.000-07:00

Robert - Oh I heard his stories of his so called adventures at Gamma, as well as his supposedly creating Chip and Dale for Disney at naseum - didn't have earplugs, just a desire to have such claims corraborated by the folks that worked there, which they weren't.

Bob Harperhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09836001547779440013noreply@blogger.com