Monday, March 09, 2009

Layout Test Coming...

Here's a neat pose Chloe copied from "Hare Ribbin" - great practice and you can really see her learning the construction and hierarchy.

Chloe asked me to give her some kind of test, so I told her I'd put up a few sketches of a storyboard of mine for her to turn into finished layouts. I have to dig one up from my files. Maybe tomorrow.

Here's Chloe's practice drawings of Slab. Proportions off and too wobbly.

I also mentioned how important it is to FIRST learn to draw the characters. If you try to learn how to draw the characters while you are also trying to solve all the layout problems, you would never get your scene approved, and you'd make it 10 times harder on yourself.

While you are learning the characters, you should be extremely conservative and try to get them exactly like the models or the other layouts you are copying from.
Chloe's experimental variations on Slab N Ernie.

This isn't a time to experiment and do your own style and variations. You learn it the "right" way first - really the general way to draw them.
These are getting close, but are a little soft.

Anyway, I'm doing the thing for Chloe, but I'll put it up in case anyone else wants to give it a shot.

You can look though the layout posts to see lots of approved drawings of the characters from the George Liquor show.


paraton said...

How important is it to learn to draw realistically?

Niki said...

I think I'll wait a while for the layout test, I have a lot on my plate right now.

James said...

"How important is it to learn to draw realistically?"

Depends. Somethings will always be there that you learn from drawing realistic such as perspective, but if your main focus is cartoons, it's not a top priority.

However many many schools and companies feel it is important, such as Calarts and Disney. But the loss there is that many of the artists spend more time perfecting life drawing rather than caricaturing cartoons.

It may help with cartoons if it's done a little at a time, rather than a primary focus.

Thunderrobot said...

Cool, I would love to give this a try.

chrisallison said...

awesome advice, john! you've really been giving up the gold lately

Chloe Cumming said...

I got the dog's head wrong in the Hare Ribbin drawing. Gaaaaaaah

I think I had got into a mini-rut of copying slightly too mechanically, without being quite mindful enough of the subtlety and life of the characters at the same time as copying out the forms smoothly.

Re drawing realistically... my take... Good cartoons are beautiful... and they're beautiful in ways that are not too far removed from nature, and nature's laws and diversity. Though I'm attempting to learn how to draw cartoons right, I couldn't contemplate stopping drawing nature... faces, plants, bottoms, rabbits... it would feel unnaturally disconnected.

I think 'organicness' is an extremely important concept, and one of the major things that sets John's cartoons apart from the pale things that imitate them.

Chris_Garrison said...

I feel weird, watching her iron out the extra lines and lumps that make her work so unique and cool to look at. I don't want Chloe to stop doing Chloe!

She should train up a studio of artists to draw like she already draws, and they should make an animated feature out of Dante's Inferno, full of her amazingly delicious extra lines and lumps. Or they could try to make the cartoons Michelangelo would've made, you know?

drawingtherightway said...

I'm always amazed at how so many people are able to produce perfect copies of drawings! There are a ton of talented people on this blog! When I draw something it might look okay but is nowhere near perfect. I wonder what the margin of error for drawing a character on model in a golden age cartoon was.

Rick Roberts said...

"How important is it to learn to draw realistically?"

Think of it terms of anatomy not "realistically".

Lucas Nine said...

“She should train up a studio of artists to draw like she already draws, and they should make an animated feature out of Dante's Inferno”

and I want to be one of those artists...
just for Chloe:

JohnK said...

Hey Lucas

I love your stuff!

What style!

A.M.Bush said...

"How important is it to learn to draw realistically?"

a lot, if you don't observe life on your own, your cartoons are all going to be regurgitations of other people's work.

drawing realistically also teaches you a lot about light sources too. and you can apply that to cartoons.

ComiCrazys said...

John, I posted the Famous Artist section on Color over at ComiCrazys.

Chloe Cumming said...

Hi Chris, that's sweet of you to say, but don't worry about me, I don't feel like I'm losing my powers. I cannot stress strongly enough that there is nothing to be LOST by learning skills and principles.

I would much rather learn how to be a little flexible and fit my work into some excellent cartoons than just sit by myself drawing weird stuff by myself forever and trying to make dinner out of my favourable blog comments.

I think maybe 'drawing realistically' can be a misleading term.. 'drawing that learns from nature' might work better for me, although it's got more words in it. It's not a matter of you need to do some really detailed slavish drawings before you're allowed to draw cartoons. It's more that you help yourself if you have experience making beautiful natural forms, shapes, colours and textures into convincing solid drawings... Personally I find drawing cartoons much more challenging, because they have solidity and they have rules, but they have no living material being to refer to... unless you count toys... but you gotta make them live! There's no other way really of learning how living things are except drawing from nature.

Drawing from life is nice, but I have no aversion to drawing from photos, and video especially can be very useful. No, photographs are not alive, but they can give you plenty of information about things that are, and perhaps your drawing CAN be alive... it's another delicious challenge.

Alex I.R., Esq. said...

Here's the $60 question: how do you know when a character drawning IS'NT soft? But solid and physical?

Thomas said...

Isn't it easy to lose the "forest of animation" through the "trees of drawing". Sometimes drawing is an end in itself, but is that the case with animation?
I think it's a good idea to look at drawing as an exercise for the mind.
I feel, personally, that animation is, primarily, an art of the mind.
Jus' sayin"....